On 23/06/2016 11:02 PM, stanislav lukyanov wrote:
There were different points in the discussion I didn't have a chance to
comment in time,
so I'll just summarize everything here not to break the thread flow with
answers to older messages.

First of all, I'm perfectly fine with either approach (adding name
validation or not)
as long as the behavior is clearly documented.

I think it should be specified that unnamed module will be returned even
if there cannot ever be a package
with that name. It is not a complicated case to specify, but it brings
much more clarity.
Formally, now the function is specified to work with "package names" and
the behavior on a string that is clearly not a "package name" is
unspecified.

I think it is completely specified. Something that can not be a valid package name can obviously not have a module associated with it and so the unnamed-module is always returned.

The empty string case may or may not be specified. It may be considered
another corner case, different from both
"legal" and "illegal" package names, but I personally think that the
behavior is clear anyway.

I don't think the argument that JVMTI doesn't validate names is correct.
GetLocalVariableTable doesn't look like a good example here, since
it just reads data that's already in the VM anyway,
but in case of GetModuleByPackageName it is about validation of input
parameters.
Other APIs that take identifiers like, for example, JNI FindClass or
GetMethodID
don't specify name checks explicitly, but throw
ClassNotFoundError/NoSuchMethodError illegal names.
It looks like GetModuleByPackageName is the first JNI/JVMTI function to
succeed when an ill-formed identifier is passed,
so it deserves to be documented.

I disagree with all of that. GetLocalVariableTable, ClassFileLoadHook, DynamicCodeGenerated, GetThreadInfo, to name a few, all take "names" encoded as UTF-8 modified strings. None of them validate that the "name" is legal for the entity being named - JVM TI simply does not do that kind of argument validation.

The JNI functions also do not do argument validation. The JNI spec is clear "The JNI does not check for programming errors such as passing in NULL pointers or illegal argument types". It is up to the programmer to ensure they pass valid arguments. FindClass is specified to simply throw:

NoClassDefFoundError: if no definition for a requested class or interface can be found.

It is the internal VM code, that has to deal with bytecode from arbitrary sources, that performs the more detailed checking of the name.

GetModuleByPackageName is slightly unusual in that it really never fails. As I discussed in the CCC review it could have made a distinction between packages that would be loaded by the loader and packages that would not, and throw an exception (which in turn may have been able to discern that the name was invalid). But that is not the case - if you don't pass the name of a package that is known to the loader then you get back the unnamed-module. It doesn't matter whether the package name is legal-but-unknown, or illegal - it is just unknown.

David
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On CCC update: AFAIU CCC needs to have final version of the proposed
specification, so yes,
it needs to be updated to with the test that will be actually pushed to
the workspace.

Thanks,
Stas

On 23.06.2016 14:40, David Holmes wrote:


On 23/06/2016 9:33 PM, serguei.spit...@oracle.com wrote:
On 6/23/16 04:27, David Holmes wrote:
On 23/06/2016 9:08 PM, serguei.spit...@oracle.com wrote:
On 6/23/16 03:51, David Holmes wrote:
On 23/06/2016 6:04 PM, serguei.spit...@oracle.com wrote:
On 6/23/16 00:51, Alan Bateman wrote:


On 23/06/2016 00:20, serguei.spit...@oracle.com wrote:
:

I agree with it.
Thank you for pointing to this JVMTI example.
I did not find in the JNI where the names are checked to be legal.
We are going to open a can of worms with this kind of check as
there
can be many corner cases to cover.
The primary use-case for this function is from within the CLFH
callback so have it return the unnamed module when calling with
garage
is probably okay, it just needs to be specified.

Will you update the webrev to reflect where we've got to this in
this
discussion?

I need to undo my fix for additional check.
My up-to-date understanding is that we have to explicitly specify
two
points:
  - the function returns the unnamed module if the package does not
exist
  - the function does not check the package names for validness and
always returns the unnamed module for illegal package names

It is better to specify these points explicitly to avoid possible
confusion.

I don't agree - nothing else refers to invalid "names" in JVM TI. I
don't see any need to call this out here. If the name supplied is not
a legal package name then it will not match - end of story.

David,

It was the original approach that is in the CCC.
You were the one who got confused here, and it convinced me that this
needs to be more clear.
All these changes are because you started the discussion. :)
It was useful anyway.

I never said anything about illegal package names.

True.
This is my (probably, wrong) attempt to make it more clear.


Are you against both clarifications or just the last one?
I'm Ok to return it back as it is in the CCC.
It will save time on the CCC approval.

This is the last addition to the spec:

+ The unnamed module is returned if the specified package does not
exist.

The notion of "package does not exist" is ill-defined. This case is
already covered by the primary specification.

+ The function does not check if the specified package name is
illegal.

This does not need to be stated as it is not stated anywhere else for
anything else that may have legal and illegal forms.

Good.
This is a relevant fragment from current version of CCC:

+      <description>
+        Return the <code>java.lang.reflect.Module</code> object for a
module
+        defined to a class loader that contains a given package.
+        The module is returned via <code>module_ptr</code>.
+        <p/>
+        If a named module is defined to the class loader and it
+        contains the package then that named module is returned,
+        otherwise the unnamed module of the class loader is returned.
+        If the package name is the empty string then this function
+        always returns the unnamed module for the class loader.
+        <p/>

As Stanislav said explicitly mentioning the empty string is not really
necessary - but I don't see it as harmful.

Does it looks Ok?

Yes - as good now as it was in the CCC discussion :)

Cheers,
David


Thanks,
Serguei


Thanks,
David



Thanks,
Serguei





Cheers,
David


Thanks,
Serguei




-Alan




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