On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 10:01:04 GMT, Thomas Stuefe <stu...@openjdk.org> wrote:

> > > > > What happens if we accidentally attempt to load a "real" static 
> > > > > library, which is also named *.a? Would dlopen() then crash? What 
> > > > > would happen?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I don't think the problem is with *.a . They would load as the default 
> > > > behaviour of the dlopen. It is only when the dlopen fails for *.so , we 
> > > > give another chance to check for .a file with the same name.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > No, what I meant, and what must be clarified before going forward with 
> > > this solution, is the following:
> > > 
> > > * is _every_ `*.a` object on AIX loadable with `dlopen`, and will the 
> > > result be the same as when loading a `*.so` object
> > > * or, if we present arbitrary `*.a` files to dlopen, is there a chance 
> > > for dlopen to crash or misbehave.
> > > 
> > > Reason is that I was under the impression that *.a libraries are static 
> > > libraries and cannot be loaded dynamically. This is what you now try to 
> > > do.
> > > If we cannot safely answer this question, I would opt for a more narrow 
> > > solution by hard-wiring known alternative names. So, do the second *.a 
> > > attempt only for your `ibm_16_am.a` which you know works. That could also 
> > > be done in a reasonably maintainable manner.
> > 
> > 
> > In AIX, both static and dynamic libraries have *.a extension. And AIX also 
> > supports *.so files.Bascially shared objects in AIX have both *.a and *.so 
> > extension. Hence we need to implement this logic. If we try loading a 
> > static archive specifically ,how the dlopen would behave , that is 
> > something probably @JoKern65 can answer ?
> 
> Rather, this is a question you have to ask your collegues at IBM that develop 
> the AIX libc.
> 
> Since AIX libc is not open source, we cannot look for ourselves, nor can 
> Joachim (her works at SAP).
> 
> > > > > Does this really have to be handled in the OpenJDK? What does J9 on 
> > > > > AIX do? Could this be done in a simpler way outside OpenJDK, e.g. by 
> > > > > providing an *.so variant of the library in question? Where does this 
> > > > > library come from?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I am not sure how J9 handles this. I would have to consult .
> > > 
> > > 
> > > J9 is Open Source, can't you just look? :)
> > 
> > 
> > I did try comparing the file structures, and i do not see a similar file 
> > structure over there. I am unable to find the jvmTiAgent code and also 
> > os_aix file. So i am not sure which functions over there are doing the same 
> > functionality. You have any suggestion on how i can check and correlate ?
> 
> Someone must implement LoadLibrary. Try looking for places where dlopen() is 
> called.
> 
> > > > However as per current observation, this issue does not show up on 
> > > > Semuru. This issue is only happening on Adoptium. The team that release 
> > > > these file has always released *.a files which work fine for Semuru.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't know what Semuru is. What is the context, is that a different VM? 
> > > Also OpenJDK? J9 derived?
> > 
> > 
> > Semuru is J9 derived.

Ok , i was not able to find the right file yet. I will collaborate on this 
further once i am back from vacation, in January.

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PR Comment: https://git.openjdk.org/jdk/pull/16604#issuecomment-1867498645

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