Fair enough... why? We still do not have a common method of providing source built and pre built packages from any one single project. Users will almost always use a combination of both methodologies.
Also since the efforts are scattered as they are, maintainers have to split their time among disparate systems. A package intended for Blastwave is significantly different than a pkgbuild recipie. Why not have a common method (like other OS's) and concentrate our efforts? This will result in better maintained packages as well as (hopefully) increasing the number of packages that can be offered. On 5/10/07, Eric Boutilier <Eric.Boutilier at sun.com> wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2007, Steve Stallion wrote: > > Eric, > > > > The document was intended to be a dart board for everyone in the > > community (primarily those you mentioned above which have a vested > > interest in such a project) to well... throw darts at. > > OK. I guess all I can say then is that in this situation > (especially given the acheivements and plans of the projects > in question) that approach just doesn't work for me. (Of > course maybe that's just me.) > > Eric > > > > It was just a > > proposal, certainly not any type of an actionable specification. > > > > I sincerely apologize to all if my intent was miscommunicated - The > > project/community hierarchy is not the easiest to navigate as a > > layman, and I had hoped that using the lists would suffice. I had > > intended to spark more discussion concerning the topic and how we can > > address this as a whole, rather than as separate groups. > > > > I have spoken with some of those members - Lazlo Peter, Dennis Clarke, > > and Stefan Teleman. A project like this has a huge impact on many > > other groups, and I was hoping we could all meet and gather our > > thoughts and commit something for others to see. > > > > That said, I am not married to any specific plan or proposal, but I > > did put this together to show others my thoughts regarding how these > > issues could potentially be addressed. > > > > Steve > > > > On 5/10/07, Eric Boutilier <Eric.Boutilier at sun.com> wrote: > >> [ I trimmed the lists in the Cc to sfwnv-discuss and ports-discuss ] > >> > >> On Thu, 10 May 2007, Steve Stallion wrote: > >> > Eric, > >> > > >> > The document describes problems and/or missing features with each of > >> > the projects you have posted. > >> > framework to fill the gaps (namely distribution and support of > >> > source-build and pre-build packages) for *anyone* who desires to > >> > provide third party software, whether that is Sun, Blastwave, SFE, > >> > etc. > >> > >> OK, but the premise still seems invalid to me. Reason being, > >> from what I can tell, you wrote the proposal without first > >> seeking input from the key lead people from the projects > >> you're targeting. And not just SFW/CCD/JDS/Blastwave, e.g. Phil > >> Brown, Duvall, Hahn, etc., but also, and maybe even more > >> importantly, their counterparts in the projects under the > >> Installation and Packaging Community Group. > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> > >> > It is a middle ground for all of these projects to meet and > >> > define something that benefits the user rather than our individual > >> > egos. > >> > > >> > The intent of OPM is that it is a > >> > > >> > FWIW: There is absolutely no reason why pkgbuild would not be used as > >> > the build agent and was in fact, the original intent. > >> > > >> > SFW/CCD has its own separate issues, which Dennis Clarke (and several > >> > others) have been quite vocal about - particularly the fact that F/OSS > >> > packages are not suited for long term support of a single revision > >> > which is the traditional form in Solaris (hence the need for Blastwave > >> > et all to build and install their own *duplicate* packages that > >> > support newer revisions). > >> > > >> > If everything was working 'just fine' today, these types (and number > >> > of) projects would simply not exist. You do not see competing projects > >> > on other OS's (*BSD is an exccelnt example) because there is simply no > >> > need - the OS distribution has everything a user needs to support > >> > his/her own environment. > >> > > >> > The community has requested this time and time again. Several > >> > implementations exist today. We need to come to a common agreement, > >> > and move onto a single system. > >> > > >
