Lyle,
Yet another "Duh!" award for me. . .
Ok people - here is the REAL, real news.
1. Shoot the admin.
2. In order for STN to know what the h**l is goin' on, you have to make
sure it is the default route. This is complicated in an NT based
system, since you can do all kinds of stupid things, and WINS will cover
yer ass. . . and you are wandering around fat, dumb, happy, and
clueless. . . !
What this means is that in an NT based system, if you're using NT DHCP,
make sure that global or scope paramater 003 (router) is set to point to
the STN box. Remove ALL default gateway parms on any local machine.
3. In order to dial out, (now that you are actually -TALKING- to it!),
it needs an IP address, or something that resolves to an IP address.
This is taken care of by STN's DNS when you set the default nameserver
as a nameserver on the outside of the net.
In an NT based system, where STN is -NOT- providing name services, you
have to set the DNS servers parm (006) to point to your ISP's
nameserver(s). Again, if there are any -LOCAL- DNS settings, nuke any
addresses in the local DNS tables on the win boxes. Remember - the
settings provided by the DHCP server will -OVERRIDE- the local settings!
You may think you're set just fine, but DHCP will write zippo into any
local parm you don't have a DHCP setting for.
4. Underscores in machine names are bad news. (Even though Unix
-LOVES- the things, and the URL spec says they're OK, the DNS spec
apparently is all down on them.) Some routers who take the DNS spec to
heart, won't recognize machine names with underscores in them. (Thanks
to Ken T. for this tidbit!!)
Jim
p.s. maybe someone should write a STN HOW-TO?
Lyle Giese wrote:
> I have not observed this behavior. I have one setup in a commerical
> office
> and have it set for DNS and have a Novell 4.11 server acting as the DHCP
> server for two subnets and set the second subnet to routed through the
> Novell server to the STN server. Worked fine, once I figured out that
> the
> FAQ route statements were wrong(bad syntax) for the second internal
> subnet.
>
> It uses dialup(internal modem) and I set it to take the DNS entries from
> the
> ISP and all the internal clients are given the STN's internal address
> for
> their DNS entry by the Novell server.
>
> Lyle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 8:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ShareTheNet] STN dial-up (Undocumented "features" I have
> discovered)
>
>
> This is:
>
> (1) An FYI to those who may come after to help them miss the pitfalls
> -I- had.
>
> (2) A request for information - if these effects are caused by
> mis-configuration - PLEASE let me know!
>
> Now, on to the "REAL untold story!"
>
> STN (in a dial-on-demand dial-up connection) seems to require that you
> set up -BOTH- DNS and DHCP.
> (a) Without DNS, STN will not dial.
> (b) Without DHCP, STN will not route to the outside network, even if
> you have another DHCP server generating the same settings.
>
> This is interesting. What if you wanted to implement STN on a system
> that already had several dedicated DNS servers, and was statically
> addressed. . . It seems like it is guaranteed to fail!
>
> I have a suspicion that this is something like a design decision in the
> origninal implementation:
>
> I suspect that the original design for STN was to implement a
> "quick-and-dirty" (OK, not so dirty!!) gateway between an
> un-sophisticated "home" or "office" net and the void. Since the
> "typical" home net is likely to be using something like NETBEUI in
> peer-to-peer, (or maybe TCP/IP, statically assigned in a peer-to-peer
> arrangement), the addition of STN as both a DHCP and DNS server is not a
>
> huge issue. It was not expected to be installed in a "larger" network
> environment with existing DNS/DHCP server(s). Right?
>
> I also suspect that the original designers of STN did -NOT- expect the
> variety of uses it would be put to!
>
> Jim
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