Exceptional Cases of permitted / obligatory Cursing Cursing is permitted (obligatory) in the cases if person is a wrongdoer, lair, killer, oppressor, concealer of truth etc. There are several verses in Quran in which Allah (swt) curses people who committed these grave sins.
Since these exceptional cases are not our topic at moment, so we end it here with this verse of Quran. *If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.* *Al-Qur'an 4:93, translation by Yusufali* So, a killer, either he is a simple muslim or a Sahabi, he must be cursed for this crime. On 5/18/09, Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED ANYTHING!! BY THE WAY, TO DAY THE 17th of MAY, > 2009, AT ABOUT 13.00HRS GMT ON AN IRANIAN ALKAWTHAR TV CHANNEL, IN THE > PROGRAM "AL-AHKAM AL ISLAM"THE PROMINENT SHEIKH FROM QOM READ TWO FATWAS > FROM IMAM SEYYID ALI KHAMENEI AND IMAM SEYYID ALI SISTANI AGAINST CURSING > THE THREE CALIPHS AND THE LEADERS OF AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMAA. PLEASE WRITE > TO: i...@alkawthartv.r to VARIFY WHAT I AM SAYING, I LET YOU KNOW THAT I > AM NOT LYING, I AM A SHIA OF AHLULBAYT BUT YOUR CURSING OF SAHABAS IN THE > NAME IF OUR IMAMS MUST EB STOPPED BY EVERY BELIEVER AND INTELLECTUALS!! > > Oh, Rizvi, Mohsin adn all the Shias, OUR MARJAE TAQLIDI ARE TELLING US NOT > TO CURSE OR ABUSE THE THREE CALIPHS, PLEASE DO NOT BE STROMG HEADED IN THE > NAME OF SHIASM TO JUSTIFY CURSING, CURSING IS NOT A RELIGION IT IS NOT ISLAM > BUT IT IS THE ETHIC OF MUSHRIKINA AND THOSE WHOM THEIR HEARTS ARE THE > DISEASES. > > ALSO YOU NEED TO FOLLOW, SEYYID AYATULLAH FADHLULLAH AND AYATULLAH ALLAMAH > ALI AMINI WHO DO NOT GIVE YOU ANY RIGHT TO CURSE OR ABUSE THE > SAHABAS, PEOPLE LIKE US WHO FOLLOW THE PATH OF MARJAE TAQLIDI WILL NEVER > FOLLOW YOUR GHULAAT IDEAS OF CURSING AND INSTIGATING HATRED AND THE > PHILOSOPHY OF TAKFIIR..... > > I AM NOT AGAINST CRYING FOR HUSSEIN OR ANY IMAM WHO WAS MURDERED BY YAZID > OE IBNU MULJIM, BUT PLEASE DO NOT TARNISH THE SHIA ISLAM WITH THE EVIL OF > CURSING THE LEADERS OF OTHER MUSLIMS AS ERQUESTED BY AYATULLAH KHAMENEI AND > AYATULLAH SISTANI. > > PLEASE BE AWARE THAT BY THIS WAY YOU REPRESENT NEITHER THE IMAMS NOR THE > SHIA SCHOOL OF THOUGHT BUT YOU REPRESENT THE GLOBAL IMPERIALISTIC INTERESTS > AS IMA KHAMENEI SAID IN HIS FATWAS. > > YOU CAN COMPAIGN MORE AND MORE TO BAN ME FROM THE GROUP FORUM, BUT THIS > WILL NOT EXTINGUISH THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND FALSE IS FALSE.. > WALLAHI, NEITHER THE SUNNI NOR THE SHIA WHO CURSE ONE ANOTHER WILL BE IN THE > PATH OF THE TRUTH, SEE HOW WE KILL ONE ANOTHER IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, > PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES IN THE NAME OF SECTS, ARE WE NOT ASHAMED OF THESE > ATROCITIES, DO WE THINK THAT WE WILL BE REWARDED PARADISE BECAUSE OF OUR > MURDEROUS MENTALITY, AND SHEDDING OF OUR INNOCENT BLOOD?? > > ISLAM IS NOT ALL OF THIS, MURDER AND THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD AND CURSING IS > THE SUNNAH OF BANU UMAYYAH AND MUAWIYYAH BUT NOT THE SUNNAH OF OUR IMAMS, > PLEASE DESIST FROM THESE BULDADASH.. > > > THANKS. MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: hasmoh...@googlemail.com > To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > > Alex > Stop taking our ideas for your Jew reformation of new idiology! We are not > prepared to send you any comment. You are exposed! Man go for a rest, ask > and work out something new to come up with. > > > *From:* Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:37 AM > *To:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com ; ali.gazan...@gmail.com > *Cc:* JUMA MAZRUI <jumamaz...@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* [Shia Group] Re: SLAPPING OF ZAHRAA WAS NOT A PERSONAL MATTER/ > YOU NEED TO REFORM YOUR THINKING > > > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > MY SHIA BROTHERS & SISTERS > > TOUCHING OR BEATING BIBI FATIMAH ZAHRAA IF REALLY HAD HAPPEND WAS AND IS > NOT A PERSONAL MATTER, HENCE SHE WAS INNOCENT AND THAT SHE NEEDED SOME ONE > TO GIVE JUSTICE TO HER FROM THOSE WHO OPPRESSED HER. > > IF WE CLAIM THAT THE PROPHET SAID, "WHOEVER ANGERS HER ANGERS HIM" THEN IF > OMAR HAD INDEED BEAT FATIMAH AND OPPRESSED HER OR INJURED HER, ALI HIS > HUSBAND COULD HAVE HANDLE THAT AS A RELIGIOUS AND ISLAMIC MATTER HENCE IT > INVOLVES OPPRESSING THE INNOCENT AND THE DAUGHTER OF THE PROPHET WHOM ANY > ONE ANGERS HER ANGERS THE PROPHET. > > IT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT THAT THE PROPHET WILL NEVER BECOME ANGRY FOR > PERSONAL MATTER, IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN ALL THE CLAIMS IN THIS MATTER NEED > TO BE EXAMINED IN THE LIGHT OF THE KORAN AND THE NATURE OF ALI AND THOSE > INVOLVED IN THIS SAGA, THIS IS WHY I SAID WE NEED TO BRING A TRUE REFORM AND > RETURN TO THE TRUTH!! > > BANNING MACDAVID FROM THIS FORUM IS NOT A REMEDY AND SOLUTION FOR THIS > PROBLEM BUT IT IS LIKE AN OSTRICH WHO IS HIDING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WHILE > IS WHOLE BODY IS VISIBLE!! > > BANNING MACDAVID FROM HIS SHIA FORUM IS A LOGIC OF KIFFAR BANNING THEIR > FELLOW MUSHRIKINA FROM LISTENING THE VOICE OF THE KORAN AND THE VOICE OF THE > TRUTH, WHY FOLLOWING THE SAME LOGIC INSTEAD OF STANDING UP LIKE MEN TO > DIALOGUE SCIENTIFICALLY WITHOUT ABUSING YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS AND THOSE WHO > HAVE DIFFRENT VIEWS IN SOME MATTERS. > > THANKS, MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD > > > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:28:55 +0530 > > Subject: [Shia Group] Re: Ban Mr Alex MCDavid- YOU NEED TO REFORM YOUR > THINKING > > From: ali.gazan...@gmail.com > > To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > > > > > Wale Kum As Salam > > That's seems to be very rational question, but somethings are > > emotional above rationality. As every one knows that Imam Ali was a > > man of very high morality. He always fought for Islam and unsheathed > > his sword only for the cause of Islam. To mention one incident once a > > man spitted on the face of Imam Ali and he did nothing. His companion > > asked him why you left him, Imam replied, i could have killed him but > > that will be my personal revenge in my ego and not for the cause of > > Allah. That fight will not be in the path of Allah. Same morality > > applies here when he left the people who tortured him and his family > > just because that was the personal matter and not Islam. > > > > Allah Hafiz > > Gazanfer Ali > > > > On 5/15/09, Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND > > > > > > > > > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > > > > > > > > > > > IF YOU THINK THAT OMAR WAS CAPABLE TO PUT A ROPE IN ALI'S NECK, THEN > YOU ARE > > > JUST AS IDIOT AS OSAMA BIN LADEN, ROPE!! AROUND THE NECK OF THE LION OF > > > ALLAH!! ASTONISHING!! BY ALLAH, IF OMAR DID THAT, ALI COULD HAVE CUT > HIS > > > THROAT AND HE WAS NEVER A COWARD LIKE YOU WHO END UP CURSING INSTEAD OF > > > PROPAGATING ISLAM IN A PROFFESSIONAL WAY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO DARED TO BREAK THE DOOR OF FATIMAH INFORNT OF ALI, THIS IS CHILDISH > > > THINKING, BY ALLAH YOU HAVE TO EXAMINE THESE STORIES, DIFFERENCES WERE > THERE > > > BUT WHO CAN DARE TO INVADE THE PRIVACY OF AN ARAB MAN AND HIS WIFE OR > FAMILY > > > OF THOSE DAYS EXCEPT THE ONE WHO WANT TO BE KILLED, BY ALLAH, ALI COULD > > > HAVE KILL EVERY ONE WHO VILATE HIS PRIVACY AND BEAT HIS WIFE AND HE > COULD > > > HAVE BEEN RIGHT!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT HUMILIATE IMAM ALI LIKE THAT, HE WAS INDEED A MAN WHO > HATE > > > HUMILIATION AND DEFEAT!! WHY MAKE HIM AS SUCH?? > > > > > > > > > > > > ALEX MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:35:59 -0700 > > >> Subject: [Shia Group] Ban Mr Alex MCDavid > > >> From: banalexmcda...@gmail.com > > >> To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > >> > > >> > > >> Salaamun Alaikum, > > >> I don't intend to give any argumetns from the book to Mr Alex MCdavid. > > >> But, I would like to present one point to other innocent reader of > > >> this group. > > >> > > >> Lets all of us plan one day and visit Mr. Alex's house. First we would > > >> usurp his some land. When his mother comes to us asking for that land > > >> we would insult her mother in the gathering of all our freind. We > > >> would laugh on her, humiliate her. > > >> Then we would set fire to mr alex's house. Then we would push the door > > >> and let the doors be fallen on mr Alex's mother. Due to which his > > >> small brother who was in the womb of his mother die. His mother is > > >> left with extreme pain in back and womb. Then lets tie a rope around > > >> the neck of his father and drag him outside the home in the public and > > >> insult him throughout the market. After few days of extreme pain his > > >> mother passes away. > > >> I am definite Mr Alex MCdavid won;t launch any complaints against us. > > >> He would still praise us as we worship Allah, we beleive in the last > > >> prophet and his ahlebayt(a.s.). Mr Alex mc david woudl forget why his > > >> mother expired, how much pain she had to bear before she left this > > >> world. How much insult Mr Alex mc david had to face because of us. How > > >> much insult Alex's father had to face. > > >> I hope Mr Alex mcdavid would forgive all of us and would say Allah > > >> would forgive us only to have a so called peaceful Muslim Community.. > > >> Mr. Alex mcdavid I appreciate your patience it is truely high. > > >> > > >> may be Mr Alex mc david (or Mr Muhammad Aly as the email id suggests) > > >> would reply saying yes I woudl forgive one who does this with me. But > > >> this could be understood by only the person who suffers. > > >> If you would speak from your heart your first reaction would be a True > > >> believer cannot do these things. One who deos these would be > > >> automatically out of Islam. As Islam has given so much preference to > > >> common Muslims. Allah many a times has said that he might forgive the > > >> sins which we have done against him but won't forgive the sin of > > >> person who hurts other Believer. > > >> If there is so much importance given to a common muslim beleiver what > > >> would be the hashr of a person who hurts the Daughter of our Greatest > > >> Prophet (s.a.w.s.). Would that person remain believer who hurts > > >> brother of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.). Would we love a person because of > > >> whom J Zahra (s.a.) had to say that after my father i had to face so > > >> much difficulties if these difficulties had been fallen on days it > > >> would had become night. > > >> > > >> As i said ealrier that I didn't intended to prove anything to Mr Alex. > > >> As already many people have presented sufficient proofs. I just wanted > > >> to clarify other people who might be influenced by his ideas. > > >> > > >> I would request the Administrator of this group to ban Alex Mc david > > >> from this group. As, his mails might change ideology of other readers > > >> too and if it happens you would be responsible for that. > > >> > > >> I would request some person who personally knows mr alex mcdaivd talks > > >> to him in person rather then having this discussion including all > > >> people in this group.. > > >> > > >> I would request all other members of this group to ask the > > >> Administrator to ban this perosn as soon as possible. > > >> > > >> > > >> Let this debate go on some other sunni shia debate forums (you can > > >> find many). I suppose this group is meant only for Information of > > >> shiaism and its true ideology > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > </HTML<BR > ------------------------------ > check out the rest of the Windows Live™. 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