may be ur illleterate u only discuss wats good and wat conferims wat ur saying i m 100% sure ur a wahabi itna detail ke time and every thing u mark listen u say AND LOOK AT THIS FOOL HE WRITES I HAVE HEARD WITH MY OWN EYES ? NOW LOOK AT THIS WAHABI NOW U MUST LOOK AT FATWA IN FAVOUR OF MATAM U WERE SAYING ITS NOT ALLOWED Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 99
Allama Shiakh Khizar ibn Ashkal in Abwab ul Jinan All the marasim of Azadari are permissable even if there is a danger to ones life. Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 102 Shaikh Mohammad Hussain Aalay Kashiful Ghita Matam-e-Zanjeer 'o' Qama is Mustahab Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 107 Agha Sadiq Roohani ( Maraja Taqleed ) It is permissable even if there is a definate danger to ones life. these are all Shiar-e-Hussaini which we have been ordered to follow Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 137 Shaikh Abdul AKreem Al Hairi As far as the matter of using knifes etc is concerned if there is no danger to ones life it is permissable and no one has any right to declare it otherwise or forbid it. AZADari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 159 Syed Shahab ud deen Marashi All tyoes of matam including Zanjeer and Qama are Jaiz and in present time it is necessary and is responsible for increase in Thawab. Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 198 Syed Taqi Tabatabai Qummi All forms of Matam are jaiz including Zanjeer and Qama zani - it wont be wrong if i say that it is Wajib Kifai. some people who say against these things which is resulting in doubts about it are absolutely wrong infact statements like these are haraam. AZadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 202 Agha Nasir Makaram ShiraziIt is Jaiz and there is no doubt about it. At some times it also becomes Wajib. Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 225 Agha Mohiuddeen Mamqani The Marasim in the mourning of Imam Husaain are compulsory in every time in every place. Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 261 Agha Syed Mohammad Ali Kazmaini Burojardi All marasim-e-Aza are not only Jaiz or Mustahab but are compulsory AZAdari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 92 93 Agha Syed Murtaza Ferozabadi It isWho ever says any thing against any Marasim-e-Aza or tries to give any daleel against it is surelyfar away from deen, ignorant and his legitimate birth is doubtful. Azadari Az deedgah-e-marajiyat page 97 what ever Agha naeeni has said regarding permissibility of Matam-e-Zanjeer and Qama is without doubt HAQ and no one will question it unless he is SHAKKI in Nature TU SAKKI HAI WAHABI . On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Alex McDavid McDavid < muhammad...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > H. KESSANI, I HAVE HEARD THE ISLAMIC PROGRAM IN ALKAWTHAR TELEVISION WITH > MY OWN EYES, THE SHEIKH FROM LEBANON WHO WAS AT THE PROGRAM BROADCASTED FROM > TEHRAN, READ THE TWO FATWAS AND HE CLAIMED THAT THEY ARE THE FATWAS OF > SEYYID KHAMENEI AND SEYYID SISTANI.YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED ANYTHING!! AGAIN I > AM SAYING TO YOU ALL THAT YESTERDAY, THE 17th of MAY, 2009, AT ABOUT > 13.00HRS GMT ON AN IRANIAN ALKAWTHAR TV CHANNEL, IN THE PROGRAM "AL-AHKAM AL > ISLAM"THE PROMINENT SHEIKH FROM QOM READ TWO FATWAS FROM IMAM SEYYID ALI > KHAMENEI AND IMAM SEYYID ALI SISTANI AGAINST CURSING THE THREE CALIPHS AND > THE LEADERS OF AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMAA. PLEASE WRITE TO: i...@alkawthartv.rto > VARIFY WHAT I AM SAYING, I LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM NOT LYING, I AM A SHIA > OF AHLULBAYT BUT YOUR CURSING OF SAHABAS IN THE NAME IF OUR IMAMS MUST EB > STOPPED BY EVERY BELIEVER AND INTELLECTUALS!! > > > > WALLAHI, YOU DID NOT VERIFY THAT INFORMATION, AND I AM GOING TO SEND A > VIDEO OF THAT PROGRAM IN THIS FORUM JUST TO PROVE THAT MOST MARAJEE DO NOT > WISH TO HEAR THE CURSE OF ABUBAKAR, OMAR AND OTHMAN AS ACISTOMED BY THE > ZAKIRS WHO ARE TRADING IN THEIR MAJALIS USING CURSING AND SENDING THE > LAANAT, THINKING THAT THEY ARE MAKING MORE THAWABS BUT RATHER PUT A GREAT > SHAME TO OUR IMAMS WHO WERE FULL OF GOOD ETHICS AND HIGH MORALS AS THEIR > GRAND FATHER, THE PROPHET OF ALLAH. > > I HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE EMAIL OF THE ALKAWTHAR TELEVISION AND THE NAME > OF THE PROGRAM, YET YOU ARE DENYING THAT THE TWO FATWAS WERE READ IN THAT > PROGRAM, THIS IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE SENDING THE CURSE AS THSI IS > THE ONLY BUSINESS WHICH YOU AND SOME ZAKIRS ARE MAKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS > WORLD WIDE... > > WHAT IS THE USE OF CURSING OF TYE THEREE CALIPHS WHILE YOU YOURSELVES DOING > THE SAME ACTS AS THE THREE IN MANY OF YOUR OTGANIZATIONS AND MASJIDS, YOU > ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR POWERS AND FIGHTINF FOR WHO IS MUJTAHID AND WHO IS > NOT!! I STILL CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE FOLLOWERS OF MARHUM AYATULLAH SEYYID > SHERAZI WERE FORCED TO CLOSE EVEN THEIR HAWZAS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND THEY > WERE ACCUSED OF MANY BAD THINGS WRONGFULLY BECAUSE OF THE FITNA BETWEN THE > FOLLOWERS OF SEYYID ALKHUI AND SEYYID SHERAZI!! > > WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE RIFT WHICH HAS EXISTED LONG BETWEEN THE FAMILIES OF > SOME MARAJEE IN NAJAF IN IRAQ AND SOME MARAJII IN IRAN, JUST FOR POWER LIKE > THE THREE CALIPHS DID!! WE MUST DESIST TO FOLLOW OF SUNNAH OF MUAWIYYAH, > CURSING ALI AND INSTEAD FOLLOW THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET AND HIS HOLY > SUCCESSORS WHICH IS LOVE, PATIENCE AND PIETY AND NOT *CURSING *SO THAT WE > MAY BE REAL SHIAS AND REAL FOLLOWERS OF TRUE ISLAM... > > THIS IS WHY I SAID, THAT THANKS FOR SHOWING YOUR FANATISM AND NOT TRUE > SHIASM!!!!!! > > > MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD. > > > ------------------------------ > From: hasmoh...@googlemail.com > To: muhammad...@hotmail.com; shiagroup@googlegroups.com; > baqarrizvi.l...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Shia Group] Re: SLAPPING OF ZAHRAA ../ FOLLOW YOUR MARAJEE > TAQLIDI > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:41:12 +0100 > > > Mr. Alex: > I am trying to prove you the wrong ideologist ever turned out from blue. > I have asked you about our 12th Imam (The Qaim) but you have not mentioned > about Him. > You are quoting about the leaders of Islam are going to do the same mistake > you have done??! Well, nobody dares to stop sending La'anat to the First and > Second and Third and Muawiya and his mother and father and the grand culprit > L.A. Yazid. > I am very true when saying that you are an agent to Zionist who were afraid > of Imam Ali (AS) since and today they fear of the followers of Imam Ali > (AS). > Imam Ali (AS) has that wisdom which someone like you can not imagine. > With these arguments you are up to something and I fear a reliable answer > that may confuse our children and grand grand children when we and you will > not be there. You are fainting for nothing as I have advised my brethrens in > Islam to stop debating or supplying with the least information they have in > order to assist you to combine it for our future children to be attacked by > one of these agents. > Have a nice days and play around till you drop. > > Yours ever ever truly > H. Kessani > > *From:* Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2009 6:01 PM > *To:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com ; hasmoh...@googlemail.com ; Baqir Rizvi > Rizvi <baqarrizvi.l...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* JUMA MAZRUI <jumamaz...@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* RE: [Shia Group] Re: SLAPPING OF ZAHRAA ../ FOLLOW YOUR MARAJEE > TAQLIDI > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED ANYTHING!! BY THE WAY, TO DAY THE 17th of MAY, > 2009, AT ABOUT 13.00HRS GMT ON AN IRANIAN ALKAWTHAR TV CHANNEL, IN THE > PROGRAM "AL-AHKAM AL ISLAM"THE PROMINENT SHEIKH FROM QOM READ TWO FATWAS > FROM IMAM SEYYID ALI KHAMENEI AND IMAM SEYYID ALI SISTANI AGAINST CURSING > THE THREE CALIPHS AND THE LEADERS OF AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMAA. PLEASE WRITE > TO: i...@alkawthartv.r to VARIFY WHAT I AM SAYING, I LET YOU KNOW THAT I > AM NOT LYING, I AM A SHIA OF AHLULBAYT BUT YOUR CURSING OF SAHABAS IN THE > NAME IF OUR IMAMS MUST EB STOPPED BY EVERY BELIEVER AND INTELLECTUALS!! > > Oh, Rizvi, Mohsin adn all the Shias, OUR MARJAE TAQLIDI ARE TELLING US NOT > TO CURSE OR ABUSE THE THREE CALIPHS, PLEASE DO NOT BE STROMG HEADED IN THE > NAME OF SHIASM TO JUSTIFY CURSING, CURSING IS NOT A RELIGION IT IS NOT ISLAM > BUT IT IS THE ETHIC OF MUSHRIKINA AND THOSE WHOM THEIR HEARTS ARE THE > DISEASES. > > ALSO YOU NEED TO FOLLOW, SEYYID AYATULLAH FADHLULLAH AND AYATULLAH ALLAMAH > ALI AMINI WHO DO NOT GIVE YOU ANY RIGHT TO CURSE OR ABUSE THE > SAHABAS, PEOPLE LIKE US WHO FOLLOW THE PATH OF MARJAE TAQLIDI WILL NEVER > FOLLOW YOUR GHULAAT IDEAS OF CURSING AND INSTIGATING HATRED AND THE > PHILOSOPHY OF TAKFIIR..... > > I AM NOT AGAINST CRYING FOR HUSSEIN OR ANY IMAM WHO WAS MURDERED BY YAZID > OE IBNU MULJIM, BUT PLEASE DO NOT TARNISH THE SHIA ISLAM WITH THE EVIL OF > CURSING THE LEADERS OF OTHER MUSLIMS AS ERQUESTED BY AYATULLAH KHAMENEI AND > AYATULLAH SISTANI. > > PLEASE BE AWARE THAT BY THIS WAY YOU REPRESENT NEITHER THE IMAMS NOR THE > SHIA SCHOOL OF THOUGHT BUT YOU REPRESENT THE GLOBAL IMPERIALISTIC INTERESTS > AS IMA KHAMENEI SAID IN HIS FATWAS. > > YOU CAN COMPAIGN MORE AND MORE TO BAN ME FROM THE GROUP FORUM, BUT THIS > WILL NOT EXTINGUISH THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND FALSE IS FALSE.. > WALLAHI, NEITHER THE SUNNI NOR THE SHIA WHO CURSE ONE ANOTHER WILL BE IN THE > PATH OF THE TRUTH, SEE HOW WE KILL ONE ANOTHER IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, > PAKISTAN AND OTHER PLACES IN THE NAME OF SECTS, ARE WE NOT ASHAMED OF THESE > ATROCITIES, DO WE THINK THAT WE WILL BE REWARDED PARADISE BECAUSE OF OUR > MURDEROUS MENTALITY, AND SHEDDING OF OUR INNOCENT BLOOD?? > > ISLAM IS NOT ALL OF THIS, MURDER AND THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD AND CURSING IS > THE SUNNAH OF BANU UMAYYAH AND MUAWIYYAH BUT NOT THE SUNNAH OF OUR IMAMS, > PLEASE DESIST FROM THESE BULDADASH.. > > > THANKS. MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: hasmoh...@googlemail.com > To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > > Alex > Stop taking our ideas for your Jew reformation of new idiology! We are not > prepared to send you any comment. You are exposed! Man go for a rest, ask > and work out something new to come up with. > > *From:* Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:37 AM > *To:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com ; ali.gazan...@gmail.com > *Cc:* JUMA MAZRUI <jumamaz...@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* [Shia Group] Re: SLAPPING OF ZAHRAA WAS NOT A PERSONAL MATTER/ > YOU NEED TO REFORM YOUR THINKING > > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > MY SHIA BROTHERS & SISTERS > > TOUCHING OR BEATING BIBI FATIMAH ZAHRAA IF REALLY HAD HAPPEND WAS AND IS > NOT A PERSONAL MATTER, HENCE SHE WAS INNOCENT AND THAT SHE NEEDED SOME ONE > TO GIVE JUSTICE TO HER FROM THOSE WHO OPPRESSED HER. > > IF WE CLAIM THAT THE PROPHET SAID, "WHOEVER ANGERS HER ANGERS HIM" THEN IF > OMAR HAD INDEED BEAT FATIMAH AND OPPRESSED HER OR INJURED HER, ALI HIS > HUSBAND COULD HAVE HANDLE THAT AS A RELIGIOUS AND ISLAMIC MATTER HENCE IT > INVOLVES OPPRESSING THE INNOCENT AND THE DAUGHTER OF THE PROPHET WHOM ANY > ONE ANGERS HER ANGERS THE PROPHET. > > IT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT THAT THE PROPHET WILL NEVER BECOME ANGRY FOR > PERSONAL MATTER, IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN ALL THE CLAIMS IN THIS MATTER NEED > TO BE EXAMINED IN THE LIGHT OF THE KORAN AND THE NATURE OF ALI AND THOSE > INVOLVED IN THIS SAGA, THIS IS WHY I SAID WE NEED TO BRING A TRUE REFORM AND > RETURN TO THE TRUTH!! > > BANNING MACDAVID FROM THIS FORUM IS NOT A REMEDY AND SOLUTION FOR THIS > PROBLEM BUT IT IS LIKE AN OSTRICH WHO IS HIDING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WHILE > IS WHOLE BODY IS VISIBLE!! > > BANNING MACDAVID FROM HIS SHIA FORUM IS A LOGIC OF KIFFAR BANNING THEIR > FELLOW MUSHRIKINA FROM LISTENING THE VOICE OF THE KORAN AND THE VOICE OF THE > TRUTH, WHY FOLLOWING THE SAME LOGIC INSTEAD OF STANDING UP LIKE MEN TO > DIALOGUE SCIENTIFICALLY WITHOUT ABUSING YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS AND THOSE WHO > HAVE DIFFRENT VIEWS IN SOME MATTERS. > > THANKS, MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD > > > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:28:55 +0530 > > Subject: [Shia Group] Re: Ban Mr Alex MCDavid- YOU NEED TO REFORM YOUR > THINKING > > From: ali.gazan...@gmail.com > > To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > > > > > Wale Kum As Salam > > That's seems to be very rational question, but somethings are > > emotional above rationality. As every one knows that Imam Ali was a > > man of very high morality. He always fought for Islam and unsheathed > > his sword only for the cause of Islam. To mention one incident once a > > man spitted on the face of Imam Ali and he did nothing. His companion > > asked him why you left him, Imam replied, i could have killed him but > > that will be my personal revenge in my ego and not for the cause of > > Allah. That fight will not be in the path of Allah. Same morality > > applies here when he left the people who tortured him and his family > > just because that was the personal matter and not Islam. > > > > Allah Hafiz > > Gazanfer Ali > > > > On 5/15/09, Alex McDavid McDavid <muhammad...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR FRIEND > > > > > > > > > > > > ASSALAM ALAIKUM > > > > > > > > > > > > IF YOU THINK THAT OMAR WAS CAPABLE TO PUT A ROPE IN ALI'S NECK, THEN > YOU ARE > > > JUST AS IDIOT AS OSAMA BIN LADEN, ROPE!! AROUND THE NECK OF THE LION OF > > > ALLAH!! ASTONISHING!! BY ALLAH, IF OMAR DID THAT, ALI COULD HAVE CUT > HIS > > > THROAT AND HE WAS NEVER A COWARD LIKE YOU WHO END UP CURSING INSTEAD OF > > > PROPAGATING ISLAM IN A PROFFESSIONAL WAY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > WHO DARED TO BREAK THE DOOR OF FATIMAH INFORNT OF ALI, THIS IS CHILDISH > > > THINKING, BY ALLAH YOU HAVE TO EXAMINE THESE STORIES, DIFFERENCES WERE > THERE > > > BUT WHO CAN DARE TO INVADE THE PRIVACY OF AN ARAB MAN AND HIS WIFE OR > FAMILY > > > OF THOSE DAYS EXCEPT THE ONE WHO WANT TO BE KILLED, BY ALLAH, ALI COULD > > > HAVE KILL EVERY ONE WHO VILATE HIS PRIVACY AND BEAT HIS WIFE AND HE > COULD > > > HAVE BEEN RIGHT!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT HUMILIATE IMAM ALI LIKE THAT, HE WAS INDEED A MAN WHO > HATE > > > HUMILIATION AND DEFEAT!! WHY MAKE HIM AS SUCH?? > > > > > > > > > > > > ALEX MACDAVID, MUHAMMAD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:35:59 -0700 > > >> Subject: [Shia Group] Ban Mr Alex MCDavid > > >> From: banalexmcda...@gmail.com > > >> To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > >> > > >> > > >> Salaamun Alaikum, > > >> I don't intend to give any argumetns from the book to Mr Alex MCdavid. > > >> But, I would like to present one point to other innocent reader of > > >> this group. > > >> > > >> Lets all of us plan one day and visit Mr. Alex's house. First we would > > >> usurp his some land. When his mother comes to us asking for that land > > >> we would insult her mother in the gathering of all our freind. We > > >> would laugh on her, humiliate her. > > >> Then we would set fire to mr alex's house. Then we would push the door > > >> and let the doors be fallen on mr Alex's mother. Due to which his > > >> small brother who was in the womb of his mother die. His mother is > > >> left with extreme pain in back and womb. Then lets tie a rope around > > >> the neck of his father and drag him outside the home in the public and > > >> insult him throughout the market. After few days of extreme pain his > > >> mother passes away. > > >> I am definite Mr Alex MCdavid won;t launch any complaints against us. > > >> He would still praise us as we worship Allah, we beleive in the last > > >> prophet and his ahlebayt(a.s.). Mr Alex mc david woudl forget why his > > >> mother expired, how much pain she had to bear before she left this > > >> world. How much insult Mr Alex mc david had to face because of us. How > > >> much insult Alex's father had to face. > > >> I hope Mr Alex mcdavid would forgive all of us and would say Allah > > >> would forgive us only to have a so called peaceful Muslim Community.. > > >> Mr. Alex mcdavid I appreciate your patience it is truely high. > > >> > > >> may be Mr Alex mc david (or Mr Muhammad Aly as the email id suggests) > > >> would reply saying yes I woudl forgive one who does this with me. But > > >> this could be understood by only the person who suffers. > > >> If you would speak from your heart your first reaction would be a True > > >> believer cannot do these things. One who deos these would be > > >> automatically out of Islam. As Islam has given so much preference to > > >> common Muslims. Allah many a times has said that he might forgive the > > >> sins which we have done against him but won't forgive the sin of > > >> person who hurts other Believer. > > >> If there is so much importance given to a common muslim beleiver what > > >> would be the hashr of a person who hurts the Daughter of our Greatest > > >> Prophet (s.a.w.s.). Would that person remain believer who hurts > > >> brother of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.). Would we love a person because of > > >> whom J Zahra (s.a.) had to say that after my father i had to face so > > >> much difficulties if these difficulties had been fallen on days it > > >> would had become night. > > >> > > >> As i said ealrier that I didn't intended to prove anything to Mr Alex. > > >> As already many people have presented sufficient proofs. I just wanted > > >> to clarify other people who might be influenced by his ideas. > > >> > > >> I would request the Administrator of this group to ban Alex Mc david > > >> from this group. As, his mails might change ideology of other readers > > >> too and if it happens you would be responsible for that. > > >> > > >> I would request some person who personally knows mr alex mcdaivd talks > > >> to him in person rather then having this discussion including all > > >> people in this group.. > > >> > > >> I would request all other members of this group to ask the > > >> Administrator to ban this perosn as soon as possible. > > >> > > >> > > >> Let this debate go on some other sunni shia debate forums (you can > > >> find many). I suppose this group is meant only for Information of > > >> shiaism and its true ideology > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > </HTML<BR > ------------------------------ > check out the rest of the Windows Live™. 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