Salam alaikum with deep regret i have to state that how people utter such nasty things about our ulema when they themselves dont have the time to pick up books and study the matter themselves.To become a maraja one has to master all subjects and study for around 30 to 40 years and only after devoting your full life gaining knowledge is one in a position to come to that level of knowledge and piety that one is considered for the post
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Tahir Abbas <ta...@cinar.co.uk> wrote: > Having two, three Eids means, of course worshiping cows! Instead of using > the traditions of Masomeen asws regarding Moon sighting, which has nothing > to do with Taqleed, even from Masomeen asws people did not ask for Moon > sighting when is the crescent. > > Its quite strange, someone sitting thousands of miles of away is telling > you 'yes your moon has appeared' but on what basis. Is that Maraja a Masoon? > Imam Jafar e Sadiq asws says (Manla Hazarul Faqih), if one would see the new > moon then thousands of others will also see it. Well, bickering is started > by the blind and mindless supporters of Mujtahids who try to justify a > simple sign of Allah azwj (the appearance of new moon) to be appearing with > the difference of two/three days for the same household! How could anyone > without being insane can justify it, it simply does not come under Taqleed! > Even Bani Ummaiyad and Bani Abbas did not make this kind of mistakes! Good > luck with worshiping cows! > > How about your Eid Prayers, the same Mullah fasts but still leads prayers > for some of Muqqlids of a Maraja? How could a fasting person lead Eid Salat, > but he does it on three days, just like Muslims who offered Friday prayers > on Wednesday! > ------------------------------ > *From:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com [mailto:shiagr...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ayesha Saddique > *Sent:* 10 September 2010 07:45 > *To:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? > > I agree with the original letter. Of course we won't be worshipping cows!! > But we do make TOO much of an issue > of Eid day. If sincere Muslims feel the moon has been sighted and their > Marja are in agreement with that, the > brother is absolutely right...It is Eid day for that person. Stop all the > bickering and let's address the bigger issues. > May Allah accept your fasting and answer your prayers during this Holy > Month.[image: Sleeping half-moon] > > *SAY YOUR PRAYERS BEFORE PRAYERS ARE SAID FOR YOU....* > > > > > ------------------------------ > Subject: RE: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:16:22 +0100 > From: ta...@cinar.co.uk > To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com > > WaAllaikum Salam > You may even say, if some of the Muslims start worshiping cows, they will > still be Muslims as its one off! What you write is a total nonsense. We have > to follow the traditions of Masomeen asws on the issue of Moon sighting, but > you have come up with a new theory that in the same house one can has > diffidence of opinion on an Islamic date just like watching a TV channel. > Fasting on the day of Eid is harram! I can simply laugh at your > justifications where you try hard to save your dying and crap system of > Ijtihad and taqeed even at the cost of turning Harram into Hallal and > destroying family union and its values. You people will still stand by your > Mujtahids when they will tell Imam Zaman (ajfj) to go back and the time of > your (ajfj) Zahoor has not come yet! > ------------------------------ > *From:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com [mailto:shiagr...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Shujat Ali Bangash > *Sent:* 09 September 2010 07:00 > *To:* shiagroup@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? > > > > > *ASSALAMO ALAIKUM WR.WB.* > ** > > *The Final Days of the Holy Month of Ramadhan > with all its Blessings and Bounties - Mubarak > > "But how can we have more than one Eid?" > > The answer: Why not ?! > - Br. Mustafa Mawjee* > > > Instead of making mountains out of molehills, Muslims and specially Shi'ias > should try to resolve such issues with a little bit of common sense. If > Ramadan ends on Wednesday for some people (i.e. Thursday Eid) and on > Thursday for muqallids of Ayt. Khui (i.e. Friday Eid) and on Friday or > Saturday for the muqallids of Ayt. Seestani in Europe (i.e. Saturday/Sunday > Eid), surely there is nothing wrong in it. Each one interprets the 'Sighting > of New Moon' according to the verdict of his religious authority and their > interpretation of the verdict. This is a sign of a healthy & mature > community which is prepared to think and lead rather than follow others > without understanding. > > If the other members of your family are fasting on the day you are > celebrating Eid, and you are not, just drink a glass of water in the morning > - you don't have to eat a four-course meal in front of them! In regards to > Eid prayers, most places have services to accommodate various situations, > and even if your community doesn't, keep in mind that Eid prayers are not > obligatory during the occultation of the Twelfth Imam (may Allah hasten his > reappearance) and can also be offered individually (Ayatollah Sistani: > Islamic Laws, ruling #1525). *Remember in Islam, the Day of Eid is a day > of Ibadat and not merry making and Ibadat should be performed according to > its religious rules and regulations and not as we think fit or for our own > pleasure or as others do. * > > In days long gone by, the same things used to happen, only we did not know > because we as a community, we all mostly followed only one Marja and we > lived in a small towns or villages - so we all used to celebrate Eid > together, thinking that the whole world celebrated it with us. Today, with > Ilm, education, outlook and our circumstances we re spread around the globe > and so we find this phenomena a bit vied. > > Furthermore, even if we see the Arab community celebrating Eid on one day, > the Pakistanis the next days, and as usual the mature Khoja community after > them, what exactly is the big deal? In many parts of the Muslim world, > people celebrate Eid for a whole week. The more, the merrier! I for one fail > to see the problem with being able to dress up, visit friends and having > delicious meals in the evening for three days instead of just one! Talking > to Non-Muslims, whenever they ask me about Eid Day, I tell them that we > celebrate Eid over 3 days - everyone at their convenience and this avoids > many questions from them. > > Instead of panicking and *rushing to hurl the vilest accusations at our > religious scholars,* and *turning and twisting their research and > presentations to suit our needs*, let us try to be a bit more reasonable. > *Unity does not mean uniformity.* Instead of becoming upset at such minor > differences, let us learn to appreciate and *enjoy the blessings of > variety and diversity*. > > *Also, we must realize that even if we ignore all jurisprudential > differences, we still would not be able to avoid the issue of multiple Eids. > Indeed, we see that during the caliphate of Imam Ali (peace be upon him), a > man once came and told him that he had sighted the crescent for the month of > Shawwal, while no one else had. The Imam a.s. told him that since he has > sighted the moon himself, it was Eid for him the next day, but for the rest > of the community, since there were not two reliable testimonies (as required > by Shariah), it would be the 30th of Ramadan. So while it was haram for the > man to fast the next day, it was in fact wajib upon everyone else!* > > *Hence, for those who have proper knowledge and understanding of Islamic > jurisprudence, this is really a non-issue. **In all honesty, the > moonsighting drama has nothing to do with unity or keeping our families > intact. The Shia world has had multiple Eids for centuries now, so it is > hard to fathom why this has become such a divisive issue. The fact of the > matter is that this is a simple jurisprudential technicality which certain > nefarious elements have hijacked and used to attack our Maraja-e-Taqleed, > and many simple-minded Shias are sadly following suit. If we are really so > concerned about maintaining unity, let us keep in mind that the one > institution that has safeguarded and protected Shi'ism for the past 1200 > years and the only platform that is capable of uniting us, is the same > Marjaiyyat which we so quickly rush to accuse of causing disunity amongst > us!* > > On a final note, History tell us that in the 16th century, as Mongol armies > were about to overrun Baghdad, the Muslim world was too busy fighting among > itself over apparently a far more pertinent matter: whether it is > permissible to consume owl meat or not! While they were busy discussing > this issue, Baghdad was captured and run over. *Today, as we face enemies > and calamities from all sides, let us learn from our own history, let us > cease from wasting so much time and energy complaining about such trivial > matters, let us unite under the banner of the Marjaiyyat, and let us focus > on the greater problems that threaten to overrun our communities and the > Muslim Ummah today. Remember the famous statement of Ayt. Khomeini (r.a.) > who used to say: "Muslim world is fighting whether to keep hands open or > closed during prayers, forgetting that enemies are ever ready and waiting > for the chance to chop those hands." > > It is time to wake up and face up the real danger which is on our doorstep. > May Allah swt accept all your Ibadats of the Holy Month and the special > Ibadat of the Eid Day - no matter, whenever you celebrate it!* > > Wassalaam, > > Youth Section > KSIMC of Dubai > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "shiagroup" group. > To post to this group, send email to shiagr...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > shiagroup+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<shiagroup%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/shiagroup?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "shiagroup" group. > To post to this group, send email to shiagr...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > shiagroup+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<shiagroup%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/shiagroup?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "shiagroup" group. > To post to this group, send email to shiagr...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > shiagroup+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<shiagroup%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/shiagroup?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "shiagroup" group. > To post to this group, send email to shiagr...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > shiagroup+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<shiagroup%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/shiagroup?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "shiagroup" group. 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