WaAllikum Salam With deep regret, I have to say, Prophet Mohammed (saww) left behind two weighty things (the Quran and his infallible Itirat) and told us to follow them, Prophet (saww) never told us to obey like animals (Taqleed, means wearing Qalawa, neck strap) of those who study 30-40 years logic, philosophy, etc. everything else but Quran and hadith! And to become so dependent on these fellows, like a child who would ask for help on every single step, even for issues like moon sighting, which is a Allah azwj's sign to appear on the sky, if one would see it then thousands will also spot it. Why to ask from a 90 year man, who lives thousands of miles away, if you ready want to ask someone then ask references of Quran Verses and Itirat of Prophet (asws), which Prophet (saww) has left behind to guide us until the Doom's day!
________________________________ From: shiagroup@googlegroups.com [mailto:shiagr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Syed Aelia Rizvi Sent: 12 September 2010 06:30 To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? Salam alaikum with deep regret i have to state that how people utter such nasty things about our ulema when they themselves dont have the time to pick up books and study the matter themselves.To become a maraja one has to master all subjects and study for around 30 to 40 years and only after devoting your full life gaining knowledge is one in a position to come to that level of knowledge and piety that one is considered for the post On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Tahir Abbas <ta...@cinar.co.uk> wrote: Having two, three Eids means, of course worshiping cows! Instead of using the traditions of Masomeen asws regarding Moon sighting, which has nothing to do with Taqleed, even from Masomeen asws people did not ask for Moon sighting when is the crescent. Its quite strange, someone sitting thousands of miles of away is telling you 'yes your moon has appeared' but on what basis. Is that Maraja a Masoon? Imam Jafar e Sadiq asws says (Manla Hazarul Faqih), if one would see the new moon then thousands of others will also see it. Well, bickering is started by the blind and mindless supporters of Mujtahids who try to justify a simple sign of Allah azwj (the appearance of new moon) to be appearing with the difference of two/three days for the same household! How could anyone without being insane can justify it, it simply does not come under Taqleed! Even Bani Ummaiyad and Bani Abbas did not make this kind of mistakes! Good luck with worshiping cows! How about your Eid Prayers, the same Mullah fasts but still leads prayers for some of Muqqlids of a Maraja? How could a fasting person lead Eid Salat, but he does it on three days, just like Muslims who offered Friday prayers on Wednesday! ________________________________ From: shiagroup@googlegroups.com [mailto:shiagr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ayesha Saddique Sent: 10 September 2010 07:45 To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? I agree with the original letter. Of course we won't be worshipping cows!! But we do make TOO much of an issue of Eid day. If sincere Muslims feel the moon has been sighted and their Marja are in agreement with that, the brother is absolutely right...It is Eid day for that person. Stop all the bickering and let's address the bigger issues. May Allah accept your fasting and answer your prayers during this Holy Month.Sleeping half-moon SAY YOUR PRAYERS BEFORE PRAYERS ARE SAID FOR YOU.... ________________________________ Subject: RE: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:16:22 +0100 From: ta...@cinar.co.uk To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com WaAllaikum Salam You may even say, if some of the Muslims start worshiping cows, they will still be Muslims as its one off! What you write is a total nonsense. We have to follow the traditions of Masomeen asws on the issue of Moon sighting, but you have come up with a new theory that in the same house one can has diffidence of opinion on an Islamic date just like watching a TV channel. Fasting on the day of Eid is harram! I can simply laugh at your justifications where you try hard to save your dying and crap system of Ijtihad and taqeed even at the cost of turning Harram into Hallal and destroying family union and its values. You people will still stand by your Mujtahids when they will tell Imam Zaman (ajfj) to go back and the time of your (ajfj) Zahoor has not come yet! ________________________________ From: shiagroup@googlegroups.com [mailto:shiagr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shujat Ali Bangash Sent: 09 September 2010 07:00 To: shiagroup@googlegroups.com Subject: [Shia Group] Can we have More than one Eid ? ASSALAMO ALAIKUM WR.WB. The Final Days of the Holy Month of Ramadhan with all its Blessings and Bounties - Mubarak "But how can we have more than one Eid?" The answer: Why not ?! - Br. Mustafa Mawjee Instead of making mountains out of molehills, Muslims and specially Shi'ias should try to resolve such issues with a little bit of common sense. If Ramadan ends on Wednesday for some people (i.e. Thursday Eid) and on Thursday for muqallids of Ayt. Khui (i.e. Friday Eid) and on Friday or Saturday for the muqallids of Ayt. Seestani in Europe (i.e. Saturday/Sunday Eid), surely there is nothing wrong in it. Each one interprets the 'Sighting of New Moon' according to the verdict of his religious authority and their interpretation of the verdict. This is a sign of a healthy & mature community which is prepared to think and lead rather than follow others without understanding. If the other members of your family are fasting on the day you are celebrating Eid, and you are not, just drink a glass of water in the morning - you don't have to eat a four-course meal in front of them! In regards to Eid prayers, most places have services to accommodate various situations, and even if your community doesn't, keep in mind that Eid prayers are not obligatory during the occultation of the Twelfth Imam (may Allah hasten his reappearance) and can also be offered individually (Ayatollah Sistani: Islamic Laws, ruling #1525). Remember in Islam, the Day of Eid is a day of Ibadat and not merry making and Ibadat should be performed according to its religious rules and regulations and not as we think fit or for our own pleasure or as others do. In days long gone by, the same things used to happen, only we did not know because we as a community, we all mostly followed only one Marja and we lived in a small towns or villages - so we all used to celebrate Eid together, thinking that the whole world celebrated it with us. Today, with Ilm, education, outlook and our circumstances we re spread around the globe and so we find this phenomena a bit vied. Furthermore, even if we see the Arab community celebrating Eid on one day, the Pakistanis the next days, and as usual the mature Khoja community after them, what exactly is the big deal? In many parts of the Muslim world, people celebrate Eid for a whole week. The more, the merrier! I for one fail to see the problem with being able to dress up, visit friends and having delicious meals in the evening for three days instead of just one! Talking to Non-Muslims, whenever they ask me about Eid Day, I tell them that we celebrate Eid over 3 days - everyone at their convenience and this avoids many questions from them. Instead of panicking and rushing to hurl the vilest accusations at our religious scholars, and turning and twisting their research and presentations to suit our needs, let us try to be a bit more reasonable. Unity does not mean uniformity. Instead of becoming upset at such minor differences, let us learn to appreciate and enjoy the blessings of variety and diversity. Also, we must realize that even if we ignore all jurisprudential differences, we still would not be able to avoid the issue of multiple Eids. Indeed, we see that during the caliphate of Imam Ali (peace be upon him), a man once came and told him that he had sighted the crescent for the month of Shawwal, while no one else had. The Imam a.s. told him that since he has sighted the moon himself, it was Eid for him the next day, but for the rest of the community, since there were not two reliable testimonies (as required by Shariah), it would be the 30th of Ramadan. So while it was haram for the man to fast the next day, it was in fact wajib upon everyone else! Hence, for those who have proper knowledge and understanding of Islamic jurisprudence, this is really a non-issue. In all honesty, the moonsighting drama has nothing to do with unity or keeping our families intact. The Shia world has had multiple Eids for centuries now, so it is hard to fathom why this has become such a divisive issue. The fact of the matter is that this is a simple jurisprudential technicality which certain nefarious elements have hijacked and used to attack our Maraja-e-Taqleed, and many simple-minded Shias are sadly following suit. If we are really so concerned about maintaining unity, let us keep in mind that the one institution that has safeguarded and protected Shi'ism for the past 1200 years and the only platform that is capable of uniting us, is the same Marjaiyyat which we so quickly rush to accuse of causing disunity amongst us! On a final note, History tell us that in the 16th century, as Mongol armies were about to overrun Baghdad, the Muslim world was too busy fighting among itself over apparently a far more pertinent matter: whether it is permissible to consume owl meat or not! While they were busy discussing this issue, Baghdad was captured and run over. Today, as we face enemies and calamities from all sides, let us learn from our own history, let us cease from wasting so much time and energy complaining about such trivial matters, let us unite under the banner of the Marjaiyyat, and let us focus on the greater problems that threaten to overrun our communities and the Muslim Ummah today. Remember the famous statement of Ayt. Khomeini (r.a.) who used to say: "Muslim world is fighting whether to keep hands open or closed during prayers, forgetting that enemies are ever ready and waiting for the chance to chop those hands." It is time to wake up and face up the real danger which is on our doorstep. May Allah swt accept all your Ibadats of the Holy Month and the special Ibadat of the Eid Day - no matter, whenever you celebrate it! Wassalaam, Youth Section KSIMC of Dubai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "shiagroup" group. To post to this group, send email to shiagr...@googlegroups.com. 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