On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:32:32 +0100, nap <napar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Rémi Palancher  wrote:
>   There has been many discussions on IRC channel lately and some
> commits
>   about the setup.py in order to fix some bugs regarding pip and also
>   complains about its inner complexity.
>
> yep, it's over complex for an easy task indeed.

 Cool, we all agree that setup.py is too complex!
 
> As a packager I think I understand your thoughts, but one important
> point is that we should be not rely only on the packages only. As we
> are going quite quickly on the features, we should also be able to 
> run
> in a "quite a good" way with upstream. The fact that I personnaly run
> my servers in this mode can make me not so objective of course :)

 For particular early adopters or developer needs, it is not very hard 
 to set up infrastructure to automatically build upstream 
 rpm/deb/whatever packages at every commits or every nights. For that 
 particular users, using last features would as simple as updating 
 distribution packages.

> One last important point is that the setup.py should be still usable
> to build a package in a good way, and currently the setup.py is just
> too complex to handle new files or filterings (like no init.d files
> option or thing like this). We will have to rewrite it for the 2.2
> version, and this time I hope it will automatically make it possible
> to run with pip :)

 OK but I can't get how you intend to significantly simplify the current 
 setup.py logic _without_ removing all the included magical features. 
 What's the plan?

-- 
 Rémi Palancher
 http://rezib.org

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