----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:29
PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Blades
Pat,
Your post,
among other things, have indicated you are not stupid. OK. They have also indicated you are
very opinionated. OK too. So why all the sarcastic crap. More and more your
posts smack of the "I'm a better player than you therefore I
KNOW IT ALL." It is patently ridiculous to bring Woods into any
discussion. He is the exception of almost anything seen in golf. With his
talent he could beat a +2 handicap with set of cast zinc Sears and
Roebucks.
Touring pros
are the epitome of macho and ego. The majority play blades because the
majority play blades. The other reason IN MY OPINION (fire away everyone)
is the actual difference between cast game improvement clubs and forged blades
IN THE HANDS OF A PROFESSIONAL is virtually indistinguishable. Cory Pavin
played pretty good with his Cleveland "Garden Hoes" prior the switching for
the $$. Davis Love had a pretty good career going with 845s as did a whole
bunch of players.
I like the
way blades look. I can line them up better. Other than that I can see no
difference between the 845s irons I played for 7 years and the current set
of WS Button Backs or the set of Sounder SB4 blades I have.
You want to
disagree with Tom Wishon, fine. He has certainly been disagreed with before.
Your smart ass commentary isn't needed. When people read something into a post
that wasn't there (...but I'll assume that we;re talking
about irons with a similar size and profile) and then disagree with it shows nothing but arrogance
on their part.
Some of the reactions to your posts
may have been a little overboard in bluntness, but those aside you
may do well to heed you own post quoted below. If you truly don't know why you
are "wasting you breath", next time just don't
bother.
Good golfing,
GregZ
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Kelley
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:32 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk:
Why I'm wasting my breath replying to this I'm not sure...
Except that this forum is becomming so full of BS that it's worse than a
Harrison shaft Ad.
I
guess Tiger, who grew up playing cavity clubs (Pings to be specific - didn't
switch to blades until college), who has NO equipment contract for irons
(can play whatever he wants) is a plain equipment moron for playing
blades.....
More guys who play for their dinner are playing blades today than did
2,3, and 5 years ago. Why are blades more popular now than before,
when many of the younger guys were exposed to these, better cavity clubs at
a very young age?????
And, upon more thought on the CG issue, I'm convinced that it's
gonna be higher in almost every blade compared to EVERY cavity - blades have
a much longer hosel and a waaay thinner sole than cavities, both of which
would bring the CG up a significant amount. Add the undercut
cavities present in a lot of new irons, and I can't see them having a
higher CG than a blade......
PK
The most common reasons I've heard
over the years from average players using blades are:
1. "The guys on TV use them and shoot
low numbers with them so that's what will make me a better
player."
2. "I've had this set of (Staffs, Spaldings,
McGregors, Hogans) for years. I only play a couple of times per year so
why buy new stuff?"
3. "I'm a plus 2 and I need to work the ball.
Can't do that with (Pings, Titleists, Callaways, etc.) as well as with
blades. (An aside; when I ask; how come Tour players seem to do
well with those clubs, hitting hooks and fades, highs and lows? The answer
invariably is; well, they're pros.")
There are other reasons given but these seem
to have been the most often heard.
I played blades for a long time. McGregor
Toney Penna TP 64's, Wilson Staffs, and a set of Confidence forged blades.
I was at the time handicapped in the 3 - 4 range. I bought a set of used
Ping Karsten II's to give to one of my sons. However, after trying them
out I kept them for myself. I played better than I ever did with the
blades.
I think that whether a player is a plus 2 or
a chop, modern design clubs will serve him much better than would any
blade on the market. This is amply shown on the various tours every day.
The perception that because Sergio or Jack or whoever is better with blade
than he would be with newer, peripheral cast irons is an old wive's tale
that should be put to rest.
TFlan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:32
AM
Subject: ShopTalk: Blades
Gentlemen
I hear this story often. It's easier to
"work" the ball with a forged blade. Personally, I've always thought
forged irons were overrated. However, I can see some advantages for a
better player. ie less off-set (is this the key?), power for on centre
shots and being able to adjust loft and lie. I've never been convinced
about the "feel" thing. Now, I realise that there's two issue here: ie
blades and forgings
Can some of you better players explain why
you think it's easier to work the ball? When they come in to see me I'd
like a better explanation than the one I have now
Thanks
Graham
