Bernie,

You are an exception!!! I'm sure Tom wasn't counting you in that
category.  I happen to agree with what he said.  I used to apprentice
with a guy that sold hundreds of sets of irons and probably more woods
a year, part-time.  He sold sets of irons for $100. He did good work
but I still didn't like the cheap components he used. They have to be
cheap to make a profit at $100.  A year before he moved, he agreed
that I should strike out on my own. This also meant competition for him
but he figured he was much better, and had much more experience than
me.

At that point I had to decide if I wanted to go for quantity or quality. I
figured
that my reputation was on the line each time a ball was struck with one of
my clubs.  Being a "Type A" personality anyway, I chose to go for a lower
volume, higher priced, longer turn-around (24hr epoxy), and better fit
clubs.

Guess what.... within six months I was the premier clubmaker in the area and
his business nose-dived.  My irons averaged $340 a set and his were $100.
I was asked to replace him as the house-preferred clubmaker for two courses
and one range.  When I asked why they wanted to terminate a long-term
arrangement with the guy still in the area they said "we've never had to
search
for one of your clubheads downrange".

Now he is what I refer to by a cheap club selling hack.  Sure he made more
money, and he didn't mind the dings to his reputation. In fact, his business
card said "Hack the World".

;-)

Cub
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie Baymiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Selling it


> Tom,
>
> > OR, a club that they sell for such a cheap
> > price that it virtually carries a 'label' that says to the customer and
> > any other golfer who sees the set, "I am a cheap piece of junk that my
> > owner bought because he was too cheap to really pay for a GOOD set".
>
> Sorry, but I can't agree with your condescending remarks about "cheap
> prices" equating to cheap clubs...if that's what you meant.
>
> There are some of us who build clubs for fun and charge a token price for
> our efforts. I do all you say a good clubmaker should do, and though I
don't
> have a lot of expensive equipment to fit my customers, I do have a lot of
> experience doing it for my friends and those I play with on our 3
community
> courses. It does help to know a customer's game. I may have 150 customers
> (men and women) and keep adding a few every year by word of mouth only.
I'll
> stack the performance of any club that I build against any OEM any time,
> though mine may not be as graphically co-ordinated, or the ferrules
polished
> quite as well. However, they're better fit to the customer's needs, better
> aligned and better matched. And, I can instruct my long driver customers
how
> to adapt their swing to the length successfully...if they'll do it. As I
> said in another post, I don't care if the components are over $100 or
more,
> my charge to put together a single club is $15, and maybe a bit less when
I
> have to put together a set and can get some more time efficiency.  I keep
> records, but I don't want to make a profit, I don't want the hassle of
state
> taxes, business licenses, etc. I want to remain a hobbyist only, even
though
> I enjoy making a lot of clubs for a lot of old friends and new friends. In
> fact, I find my kind of clubmaking a way to make a lot of new friends.
And,
> having the stable of customers that I do have, allows me to experiment in
> directions few other clubmaker would risk or have time to do.
>
> > Personally, the main reason I have always campaigned against clones and
> > clubmakers who sell sets for cost + 10% is because that tears down the
> > real essence of what component clubmaking COULD be. When you think about
> > it at its most base form, component clubmaking has always held the
> > promise of the very BEST set a golfer could buy.  Think about it - a one
> > on one fitting session between the clubmaker and golfer - what OEM can
> > offer that?  Getting to choose from a big variety of heads, shafts and
> > grips - what OEM can offer that?  And being there with the clubmaker to
> > tweak, adjust and fine tune when the set is built - what OEM can offer
> > that?
>
> I do all of that and am a fairly good instructor for my senior customers.
I
> do it for fun, certainly don't charge enough to cover my time and
sometimes
> do it for free.  I agree completely with your assertion that custom
> clubmaking holds "the promise of the very BEST set a golfer could buy." I
> don't agree that a "cheap" club is necessarily a poor club, nor that it
> tears down the "essence of what clubmaking could be." Clubmaking is
> everything you suggest it could be for me...and I'm cheap. :-)
>
> Bernie
> Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>


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