RE: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology

[Mike]

Dear Harry:

 

There are two persons that you can talk to and get more info, Alan B. and Dave T.  I will just said that everything in golf is relative, nothing is absolute.  I believe that Dave had posted statement in this respect in the "flex v.s. frequency" discussion posted in 12/2002.  Check it out.

 

Mike C.
Harrison Sports, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Harry F. Schiestel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,February 26,2003 7:51 PM
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Subject: RE: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology

Hi Mike C

Sure I can "do what I want to do", even if I choose to do what is wrong.  That is not my question or concern.

Mr. Cheng, my question to you relates to statistical data (old spine aligned vs. new spineless), which proves your new technology is indeed better?
I use your shafts and carry them in my own golf bag.  Do you have any data that converts this technology from a marketing to an improvement strategy?

Sorry Mike if I didn't make myself clear on my first post regarding this subject. Convince me so that I can convince my paying customers who use UL Pro's.

Regarding your new spineless technology you said "spine orientation or purring is really not necessary any more".  Prove this by sharing the data if you will.

Thanks Harry S

www.Golf54.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:36 PM
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Subject: RE: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology and free sample

Dear Harry:

 

Alan is on the mark. You can still do what you want to do with spining or purring. However, you will find that the difference is so small. Spine orientation or purring is really not necessary any more.

 

Mike C.
Harrison Sports, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Harry F. Schiestel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,February 26,2003 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology and free sample

Thanks to the insight Alan, but I would still appreciate a reply from Mr. Cheng to ensure we don't interpret his message / company direction incorrectly >

Thanks HFS

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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology and free sample

Hi Harry,

As an engineer I can assure you that man has yet to make anything that was perfect (or in this case, spine-less).  What Mike is saying is that their shafts will not have a 'prominent spine'.  What I interpret this to mean is that the spines that exist will be of sufficiently low magnitude that they will be imperceptible to the golfer, regardless of the orientation of the shaft in the club head.  It means that it will not be necessary to measure and align the spine of the shaft, not that it cannot be done.  You will still be able to measure the spines and align the shafts accordingly for those customers that wish it.  If you and they feel it adds value to the club, go for it.  For those of us who do not, it means we can build clubs with even greater assurance that it doesn't.

Regards,

Alan Brooks



At 02:24 AM 2/26/03 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Mr. Cheng
I applaud your efforts to make the best shaft in the business.  I carry your shafts on my web site (so I am a paying customer).
I have used a lot of the Harrison UL Pro 2.5 to 4.5 woods in the past (and loved them), and my customers embarrass the UL line.
To make such a marked shift in theory (from spine to spineless) is quite an aggressive undertaking by any shaft mfg. company.
Does this spineless technology produce a better golf shaft?  If so, what empirical data do you have that can prove this new technology?
What are the results to both distance and percent error when you compare the old spine shaft (aligned) vs. the new spineless shaft?
Harrison shafts have a track record for winning Remax World Long Drive Championships, and I must assume these where pre spineless days.
Just trying to understand why I should now embarrass spineless technology, when I loved finding Type II Supershafts (long and straight),
and your old shafts had N's, S's, normally Type 2, and an abundance of Supershafts (delta freq.) >> all built on winning world LD championships.
Mike, do you have statistical data (old spine aligned vs. new spineless) you can share, which proves the new technology is indeed better?
Without data its just an educated guess / marketing.  Then my old Harrison UL Pro X.5's type 2 supershafts might be worth their weight in gold.
This change in manufacturing practice at Harrison is going to confuse my customers that have aligned shafts with predominant spines.
Thanks Harry S
www.Golf54.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike

Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:39 PM

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Subject: ShopTalk: Harrison Spineless Technology and free sample

Dear Dr. Voo:

My sincere apologize for your experience on the yellow color.  If the striper shaft performed well for you, try a couple more again. I am certain that you will be happy about the result.  In case, any shoptalk member does not know we do take special instruction free of charge from club makers in general.  What this means is you can tell our sales rep what specific frequency that you want or any particularities that you expect and we will have an experience staff to pick the shafts for your.

In response to you question about the consistency in flex, one of the big project that we have been working on diligently is our new Spineless Technology.  I has revealed information on this new development to some shoptalk members but not to all members, because we want to make sure that we have worked out all the problems before we say anything.

Spine has been a topic of frequent discussion among Shoptalk members.  Naturally, from our end we feel strongly that the only way to address this issue once and for all is to make sure the shaft do not have a prominent spine. At this time, I feel confident to share with you that shafts that are coming out of our facility in California now no longer have any prominent spine.  In fact, we are in the process of intensively recertifying all Harrison shaft models to make all of them spineless.

We expect by August we will complete the recertification project.  However, do bear in mind that we do have shafts in our inventory that are not spineless.  It will take us a period of time to turn over our entire inventory to spineless only. 

I can also share with you that most of our Titanium series shafts are almost all spineless now.  If you should choose to order one, just tell our sales staff that you only want the spineless one.  Our sales staff will issue a special order and a spineless shaft will be picked form the inventory for you.   

Naturally, once we address the spine issue the flex consistency issue goes away. 

Regarding the free samples,  we will be including sample of the new 41" Harrison Premier Lite 85.  At 5 iron length, it weighs only 85 gram. It also have uniform steps.  Premier Lite 85 is the lightest steel shaft in the market today.  It is also the only unistep ultra lite steel shaft in the market today. The initial batch will be at 41". Subsequently, they will be lengthened to 43". 

We are running a little bit behind on the production of Premier Lit 85. That is why we have not send out the samples yet. My apology. 

If you have any comment about Harrison shaft, I am only one email away. Please feel free to share with me. We may not be able to address all the issues that you raise immediately, but we do hear you. If the point you raised make good sense, sooner or later we will do something about it. Spine issue is just one example.  

Sincerely,

Mike Cheng

Harrison Sports, Inc.

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-----Original Message-----

From: Dr. Voo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Tuesday,February 25,2003 10:13 AM

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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Harrison

TF

Wheels of "Free Stuff" truck are slow to turn.  They got them all loaded to go and snow hit the parking lot and crashed the warehouse roof in!!!  Not really...

Same here, but I expected not to as I had problems with a Striper shaft that were unresolved and Mike never had any solutions for me.  Guess he doesn't want clubfitters with a little knowledge and a history of reporting problems getting ahold of his new stuff to check out.  I only tried the Harrison because of the cosmetics and their advertisements, and was disappointed with both.  Their yellow shaft colors were not consistent and his answer was that the color yellow is hard to control the consistency!!!  (When I went to the doctor and said it hurts when I do that, he said "Don't do that!!")  Guess if you can't make a consistent color then don't try to use it in your product!!!!

The six shafts I paid full price for in S and R flex were not consistent in flex and so I took back all but one and kept it to hit.  Good results, but if I have to buy 6 shafts to get one that is right then I might go broke getting someone to buy it and build another just like it for his buddy who hit it and likes just that one.

Anyone have similar experience with the Striper shaft??  That is the only one I tried in yellow and blue and R and S Flex.  If the rest of the line is like that then not sure if I need to demo anything, though I am willing to try them if they are offered for free!!!  If you don't want to reply with bad things about the Harrison line on here, contact me in private so I can get the real story.

I would rather they have a program with clubfitters that give 50-75% discounts on shafts that WE want to trial instead of their latest greatest shaft that no one has experience with.  If I hear that Arnie or Bernie or "Cub" or any other fitter on here likes a shaft, I would rather have a reduced price demo of that shaft and see if my particular cliental would benefit from that shaft and if I could make some cash on it.

Anyone get any response from them other than on here from Mike??

Dr.Voo

RxGolf Custom Clubs

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From: tflan

To: ShopTalk

Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:31 PM

Subject: ShopTalk: Harrison

Anybody here heard from Harrison and the "free offer" to ST members? I haven't.

TFlan