I ran this through my S/W estimator also. If final length is 46.75" and total weight is 282, here's a possibility:
46" uncut shaft weighing 48 grams. A 190 gram head is certainly possible...my BOM 460cc is 193 grams. Grip at 39 grams...I've seen several OEM clubs with this weight grip. S/W estimate for those numbers is D4 and balance point is 10.6". If your balance point is near there, these numbers might be close. Guessing actual components might make a good contest. Maybe win a booby prize? :-) Bernie bl...@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Flanagan To: shoptalk Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Cleveland U/L Yeah, the numbers are kinda goofy. I'm using a digital weight scale that measures +/1 one gram, a Golfsmith SW scale that's flat and level, a Club Scout freq meter, a Golfsmith length scale and a couple of loft angle finders of indeterminate pedigree. No doubt if the shaft were say 45" it would be a lot lighter and for sure the SW would be about 12 points less, assuming 6 points/inch. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that if the paint is scraped off the shafts the weight comes down several grams. I can't do anything with this club - I could probably pop the grip I suppose, but that's about all. Come to think of it, I have a couple relatively light A flex shafts somewhere in the pile. I don't recall if they're pullouts but no problem if they are. I can just shove a plug in and freq them at 47" for comparison. I have a whole lot of driver heads as well so I may be able to come up with something that makes sense. T > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:58:29 -0700 > From: d...@mcluckie.net > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cleveland U/L > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > > > Wow, 47"! I wonder if the light weight is a big part of it. 282 is super light. > > The CPM sounds low at first, but I'm thinking it's about a typical A if you convert it to a more normal length, ungripped. > > I would still think the shaft probably weighs a bit more and the head a bit less than your estimates. > > [elevator music] > > Well I just ran the numbers in the swingweight program and was getting numbers in the high E's. The only way to get it near 282/D6 was a lower head weight (mid 190s), higher shaft and grip weights. I'm not arguing, just giving you the info for whatever it's worth. > > Maybe measure the balance point, and then compare later to whatever you build? > > It's neat that you got your hands on one to measure. Have fun! > > -don M > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Tom Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> From: Tom Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com> >> Subject: ShopTalk: Cleveland U/L >> To: "shoptalk" <shoptalk@mail.msen.com>, "Spine" <spinetalkersfo...@yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:44 PM >> >> >> >> #yiv68828643 .hmmessage P >> { >> margin:0px;padding:0px;} >> #yiv68828643 { >> font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} >> >> >> >> Got the club today; Here's what I measured. >> Cleveland Ultra Lite Edition, Launcher High >> MOI12 degree loft.Shaft - Graphite >> Design "40 Grams"Grip - >> Winn/Cleveland "Special Design" - supposedly 37 >> gramLength - measured to butt end of grip: 46 >> 7/8"Static Weight - 282 gramsFreq >> - 5" clamp with grip - 204 cpm (!)SW - >> D6 >> So assuming the Winn grip is actually 37 grams >> and the shaft is actually 40 grams, subtract that from the >> overall 282 grams and get a head weight 205 grams. Certainly >> nothing special there. I estimated my Cobra head to be about >> 208 grams on a slightly heavier shaft. >> I have a Cleveland Launcher 10 1/2 deg >> "R"flex, 45", that weighs 318 grams, so I >> suppose the advert "30 grams lighter" is correct >> compared to that club. >> But 204 cpm gripped, at nearly 47" and D6 >> is really something to wonder about. First thing I'd do >> is pull the grip and put a heavier one on and maybe cut a >> 1/2" off the length to get the SW down to D1/D2 or so. >> >> My Cobra that I fooled with last week, if I >> added 1 1/2" to it and put a typical grip with 3 wraps >> under it would weigh in at about 306 - 308 grams. It's >> actually 306 grams gripped now, at 45". >> So to compare freqs; Cleveland 204 gripped, >> Cobra @ 45" no grip, 236. Add grip and 1 1/2" and >> I'd get to about 215 or so, I'm >> guessing. >> However, I did hit it today, a large bucket of >> range balls. After some considerable adjustment in setup and >> swing, it went pretty much as I remembered. Straight, >> moderately high, and longer than with the Cobra. So I'm >> thinking of changing the Cobra; make it longer, see what >> happens. >> Geez, after all this time maybe I can swing a >> longer driver. Hate to admit Bernie may have been on to >> something >> TFlan >> >> Rediscover HotmailĀ®: Now available on >> your iPhone or BlackBerry Check >> it out. >> > -- > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila Voodoo. > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now!