Sadly, I did not check the BP. I'll do it before I return the club.
T
From: bl...@charter.net
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cleveland U/L
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:33:27 -0400
I ran this through my S/W estimator also. If final
length is 46.75" and total weight is 282, here's a possibility:
46" uncut shaft weighing 48 grams. A 190 gram head
is certainly possible...my BOM 460cc is 193 grams. Grip at 39 grams...I've seen
several OEM clubs with this weight grip. S/W estimate for those numbers is D4
and balance point is 10.6". If your balance point is near there, these
numbers might be close.
Guessing actual components might make a good
contest. Maybe win a booby prize? :-)
Bernie
bl...@charter.net
----- Original Message -----
From:
Tom
Flanagan
To: shoptalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:36
PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Cleveland
U/L
Yeah, the numbers are kinda goofy. I'm using a digital weight
scale that measures +/1 one gram, a Golfsmith SW scale that's flat and level,
a Club Scout freq meter, a Golfsmith length scale and a couple of loft angle
finders of indeterminate pedigree.
No doubt if the shaft were say 45" it would be a lot lighter and for sure
the SW would be about 12 points less, assuming 6 points/inch.
I think I mentioned in an earlier post that if the paint is scraped off
the shafts the weight comes down several grams. I can't do anything with this
club - I could probably pop the grip I suppose, but that's about
all.
Come to think of it, I have a couple relatively light A flex shafts
somewhere in the pile. I don't recall if they're pullouts but no problem if
they are. I can just shove a plug in and freq them at 47" for comparison. I
have a whole lot of driver heads as well so I may be able to come up with
something that makes sense.
T
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:58:29 -0700
> From:
d...@mcluckie.net
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cleveland U/L
> To:
ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
>
>
> Wow, 47"! I wonder if the
light weight is a big part of it. 282 is super light.
>
> The CPM
sounds low at first, but I'm thinking it's about a typical A if you convert
it
to a more normal length, ungripped.
>
> I would still think the
shaft probably weighs a bit more and the head a bit less than your estimates.
>
> [elevator music]
>
> Well I just ran the
numbers in the swingweight program and was getting numbers in the high E's.
The only way to get it near 282/D6 was a lower head weight (mid 190s), higher
shaft and grip weights. I'm not arguing, just giving you the info for
whatever
it's worth.
>
> Maybe measure the balance point, and then
compare later to whatever you build?
>
> It's neat that you got
your hands on one to measure. Have fun!
>
> -don M
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Tom Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> From: Tom Flanagan
<tflans...@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: ShopTalk: Cleveland
U/L
>> To: "shoptalk" <shoptalk@mail.msen.com>, "Spine"
<spinetalkersfo...@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, April
1, 2009, 5:44 PM
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Got the club today; Here's what I measured.
>>
Cleveland Ultra Lite Edition, Launcher High
>> MOI12 degree
loft.Shaft - Graphite
>> Design "40 Grams"Grip -
>>
Winn/Cleveland "Special Design" - supposedly 37
>> gramLength -
measured to butt end of grip: 46
>> 7/8"Static Weight - 282
gramsFreq
>> - 5" clamp with grip - 204 cpm (!)SW -
>>
D6
>> So assuming the Winn grip is actually 37 grams
>> and
the shaft is actually 40 grams, subtract that from the
>> overall 282
grams and get a head weight 205 grams. Certainly
>> nothing special
there. I estimated my Cobra head to be about
>> 208 grams on a
slightly heavier shaft.
>> I have a Cleveland Launcher 10 1/2
deg
>> "R"flex, 45", that weighs 318 grams, so I
>> suppose
the advert "30 grams lighter" is correct
>> compared to that
club.
>> But 204 cpm gripped, at nearly 47" and D6
>>
is really something to wonder about. First thing I'd do
>> is pull
the grip and put a heavier one on and maybe cut a
>> 1/2" off the
length to get the SW down to D1/D2 or so.
>>
>> My
Cobra that I fooled with last week, if I
>> added 1 1/2" to it and
put a typical grip with 3 wraps
>> under it would weigh in at about
306 - 308 grams. It's
>> actually 306 grams gripped now, at
45".
>> So to compare freqs; Cleveland 204 gripped,
>>
Cobra @ 45" no grip, 236. Add grip and 1 1/2" and
>> I'd get to about
215 or so, I'm
>> guessing.
>> However, I did hit it
today, a large bucket of
>> range balls. After some considerable
adjustment in setup and
>> swing, it went pretty much as I
remembered. Straight,
>> moderately high, and longer than with the
Cobra. So I'm
>> thinking of changing the Cobra; make it longer, see
what
>> happens.
>> Geez, after all this time maybe I
can swing a
>> longer driver. Hate to admit Bernie may have been on
to
>> something
>> TFlan
>>
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