On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 06:49:16PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:32:23AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote:
> >> Given that Shorewall's most popular distribution as of our last survey
> >> (http://shorewall.net/survey-200603.html) was Debian, i think it would
> >> make sense to make it easy for Debian/Ubuntu users to use more recent
> >> versions of Shorewall that behave like Shorewall users expect.  As
> >> Andrew has mentioned, i don't think we're likely to get far with getting
> >> Debian to change the behaviour of the package.
> > 
> > Changing it will just mean that the behaviour of other parts of the
> > system behave unexpectedly (or maybe break entirely). Best to leave
> > the init script alone, and just not use it as a user interface.
> > Getting stuff like that right is probably why Debian is the most
> > popular platform.
> 
> I think most of the opinions voiced in that thread indicated that the
> behaviour was very much *not* right for Shorewall users, despite the
> fact that it might be "right" in the Debian sense.

How many of those users would be willing to sacrifice a well-behaved
package manager in order to have an alternative to running the
shorewall command directly? The opinion of a user who doesn't
understand the system is not automatically valid, and is frequently
misguided.

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