Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 06:49:16PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: >> Andrew Suffield wrote: >>> On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:32:23AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: >>>> Given that Shorewall's most popular distribution as of our last survey >>>> (http://shorewall.net/survey-200603.html) was Debian, i think it would >>>> make sense to make it easy for Debian/Ubuntu users to use more recent >>>> versions of Shorewall that behave like Shorewall users expect. As >>>> Andrew has mentioned, i don't think we're likely to get far with getting >>>> Debian to change the behaviour of the package. >>> Changing it will just mean that the behaviour of other parts of the >>> system behave unexpectedly (or maybe break entirely). Best to leave >>> the init script alone, and just not use it as a user interface. >>> Getting stuff like that right is probably why Debian is the most >>> popular platform. >> I think most of the opinions voiced in that thread indicated that the >> behaviour was very much *not* right for Shorewall users, despite the >> fact that it might be "right" in the Debian sense. > > How many of those users would be willing to sacrifice a well-behaved > package manager in order to have an alternative to running the > shorewall command directly? The opinion of a user who doesn't > understand the system is not automatically valid, and is frequently > misguided.
Now you're losing me. Why would having an alternate version of the Shorewall packages for Shorewall users mean that they are sacrificing a well-behaved package manager? I agree with you that we simply discourage the use of the init script as a user interface, but if consensus is that '/etc/init.d/shorewall stop' should be equivalent to 'shorewall stop', i can't see that that would thereby compromise the whole of the packaging system. -- Paul <http://paul.gear.dyndns.org> -- Did you know? Even when you legally buy Windows Vista, you don't own it, and by using it you consent to allowing Microsoft to spy on your computer. Find out more at http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista
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