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>Consider an ISP that receives an allocation of a /20 prefix from source 
>A, and an allocation of an adajecnt /20 prefix from source B, but wants 
>to issue an advertisement for the aggregate /19 prefix.

>>>>> "Sandy" == Sandy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
    Sandy> I believe that there was another wrinkle to the issue.
    Sandy> (Since I was the one who raised it, I know what I *meant*,
    Sandy> although others might have heard differently.)

    Sandy> The issue is that some RIRs, when allocating a prefix, will
    Sandy> reserve a matching adjacent prefix for future requests, so
    Sandy> that the two allocations are aggregatable.  This helps limit
    Sandy> routing table bloat.  Note the difference: this is a *single*
    Sandy> source allocating multiple aggregatable allocations.  And I
    Sandy> believe that it happens frequently, by deliberate process.

    Sandy> (Actually, I'm having trouble visualizing allocations from
    Sandy> *multiple* sources that are aggregatable - perhaps this only
    Sandy> happens when ranges rather than prefixes are involved?  I'm
    Sandy> lazy and I don't want to do the math - if you have an example
    Sandy> of *prefixes* allocated from multiple sources that were
    Sandy> aggregatable, could you describe it?)

  I think that it would be exceedingly rare. 
  For it to occur, the two sources would have to have received
allocations from a parent RIR that were not powers of two.  Even if
source A had been allocated:
        A: 10.10/16     and had delegated 10.10.240.0/20
        B: 10.11/16     and had delegated 10.11.0.0/20

  no aggregatable /19 would be posssible. yes, a range from 10.10.240.0
to 10.11.15.255 exists, but it wouldn't aggregate.

  The case where additional address space is allocated (as Sandy
mentions, from the same RIR) seems simpler to me. 
  You give a reason why the RIR couldn't just issue the /19 certificate
at that point: 

    Sandy> it is from a single source.  But the architecture notes that
    Sandy> an RIR (or a source further down the allocation chain) might
    Sandy> not always want to create a cert for the aggregate, as the
    Sandy> validity times of the two longer prefix allocations might be
    Sandy> different.  Hence the need for multiple certs, and the choice
    Sandy> between either interpreting the validity of a BGP UPDATE
    Sandy> based on multiple (singly signed) ROAs or multiply signed
    Sandy> ROAs.

  But, if the validity times are significantly different such that one
prefix is going to change prior to the certificates expiring, should the
ISP really even be advertising the aggregate?

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