One clarification. I included Eric below as he was one of those who took offense at the conclusion Steve drew from Brian's remark about colleagues. Unfortunately, "you" is both singular and plural, so the text as written implies that Eric colluded in the remark about "colleagues". I should definitely have said "If Brian meant".
--Sandy, to clarify my previous speaking as wg chair ________________________________________ From: Murphy, Sandra Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:47 PM To: Brian Dickson; Stephen Kent Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-algorithm-agility-03 Guys, guys, guys. Steve: making reference to a person's company concentrates too much on the personal. Please be more careful. Brian, Eric: If you meant "some individual contributors who I happen to know and discuss this with", saying "my colleagues" was subject to misinterpretation, especially in light of this recent energetic exchange. --Sandy, speaking out for civility as wg chair ________________________________________ From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [sidr-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Eric Osterweil [eosterw...@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:17 AM To: Stephen Kent Cc: sidr@ietf.org list Subject: Re: [sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-algorithm-agility-03 On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Stephen Kent wrote: > At 1:27 AM -0500 11/8/11, Brian Dickson wrote: >> ... > >> I do not support adoption of this document in its current form. >> >> The main reasons have to do with fundamental aspects which at a high >> level have been addressed by my colleagues, > > so, this is a Verisign critique, provided by you, Eric, and Danny? Steve, This is a ridiculous question, and the implication is a completely false characterization of my involvement. For the record: I am participating as an individual only. Eric _______________________________________________ sidr mailing list sidr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr ________________________________________ From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org [sidr-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Brian Dickson [brian.peter.dick...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:07 PM To: Stephen Kent Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sidr] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidr-algorithm-agility-03 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Stephen Kent <k...@bbn.com> wrote: > At 1:27 AM -0500 11/8/11, Brian Dickson wrote: > > ... > > I do not support adoption of this document in its current form. > > The main reasons have to do with fundamental aspects which at a high > > level have been addressed by my colleagues, > > so, this is a Verisign critique, provided by you, Eric, and Danny? Respectfully, Stephen, I would ask that you not infer anything along these lines. The IETF is very clear on participation being an individual activity, regardless of $day_job. In addition to this _not_ being the case, I _personally_ consider this both highly inappropriate at a professional level, and bordering on _ad_hominem_, something that really has no place in WG mailing-list discussions. I would ask that you seriously consider whether an apology for your comment is appropriate. As for "colleague", I meant within the WG, as in "collegial". If I had meant to say "co-worker", I would have said "co-worker". Any similarity between our concerns is entirely due to similarity in operational experiences in a variety of venues, at a variety of $day_jobs. I'll address the content-oriented portion of your email in a separate message. Brian - not using any email-address that would suggest affiliation - _______________________________________________ sidr mailing list sidr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr _______________________________________________ sidr mailing list sidr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr
