Hi all,

- Do you support or oppose the proposal?
I support this proposal.

 - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
No, personally I do not need another address range but it is at least 
protecting the last block for those who need some and not for the transfer 
market.
Moreover, if you don't need your IPv4 ranges anymore, give it back to your RIR.

 - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
Fine by me


Regards,
Stephane MATEO
Offratel Lagoon
CTO
Tel : +687 29.68.41 | www.lagoon.nc |     


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Objet : [sig-policy] [Sig-policy] New version of prop-116: Prohibit to transfer 
IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block

Dear SIG members

A new version of the proposal "prop-116: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in 
the final /8 block" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.

It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 44 which will be held 
in Taichung, Taiwan on Wednesday and Thursday, 14 & 15 September 2017.

Information about earlier versions is available from:

    http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-116

You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal:

 - Do you support or oppose the proposal?
 - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
 - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
 - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?

Please find the text of the proposal below.

Kind Regards,

Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
APNIC Policy SIG Chairs



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prop-116-v004: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block

-------------------------------------------------------

Proposer:       Tomohiro Fujisaki
                fujis...@syce.net


1. Problem statement
--------------------

There are a lot of transfers of IPv4 address blocks from 103/8 happening, both 
within the APNIC region and among RIRs.

Then number of transfer from 103/8 block are about 200, which is about 12% of 
the total number of transfers. This looks so high since APNIC manages about 
40/8.

And based on the information provided by APNIC Secretariat, number of transfers 
from the 103/8 block are increasing year by year.

Updated by APNIC Secretariat on 27 January 2017:

1) M&A transfers containing 103/8 space

+------+-----------+-----------+-
|      |   Total   | Number of |
| Year | Transfers |   /24s    |
+------+-----------+-----------+-
| 2011 |         3 |         12 |
| 2012 |        10 |         46 |
| 2013 |        18 |         66 |
| 2014 |       126 |        498 |
| 2015 |       147 |        573 |
| 2016 |        63 |        239 |
| 2017 |        45 |        178 |
+------+-----------+------------+-

2) Market transfers containing 103/8 space

+------+-----------+-----------+
|      |   Total   | Number of |
| Year | Transfers |   /24s    |
+------+-----------+-----------+
| 2011 |         2 |         2 |
| 2012 |        21 |        68 |
| 2013 |        16 |        61 |
| 2014 |        25 |        95 |
| 2015 |        67 |       266 |
| 2016 |       103 |       394 |
| 2017 |        70 |       288 |
+------+-----------+-----------+

And also, transfers from the 103/8 block include:
  - Take place within 1 year of distribution, or
  - Multiple blocks to a single organization in case of beyond 1 year.

Further, there is a case where a single organization have received 12 blocks 
transfers from 103 range.

see:  https://www.apnic.net/transfer-resources/transfer-logs

>From these figures, it is quite likely that substantial number of 103/8 blocks 
>are being used for transfer purpose.

This conflicts with the concept of distribution of 103/8 block (prop-062), 
which is intended to accommodate minimum IPv4 address blocks for new comers.

prop-062: Use of final /8
  https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-062


2. Objective of policy change
-----------------------------

When stated problem is solved, distribution from 103/8 block will be consistent 
with its original purpose, for distribution for new entrants to the industry. 
Without the policy change, substantial portion of 103/8 blocks will be consumed 
for transfer purpose.


3. Situation in other regions
-----------------------------

None.


4. Proposed policy solution
---------------------------

Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under /8 address block (103/8) which have not 
passed two years after its allocation/assignment. If the address block 
allocated to a LIR in two years is not needed any more, it must return to APNIC 
to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy. This two years 
requirement will apply both market and M&A transfers.

5. Advantages / Disadvantages
-----------------------------

Advantages:
  - It makes 103/8 blocks available according to the original purpose, 
    as distribution for new entrants (rather than being consumed for 
    transfer purpose)

  - IPv4 addresses under final /8 are not transferred to outside APNIC.

  - By prohibiting transfer, them, it is possible to keep one /22 for 
    each LIRs state, which is fair for all LIRs.

Disadvantages:
None.


6. Impact on resource holders
------------------------------

  - LIRs cannot transfer address blocks under 103/8. No big impact while
    they use it.

  - Organizations which needs to receive transferred IPv4 can continue
    to do so, outside 103/8 blocks (which should be made available for 
    new entrants)


7. References
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