So define it better. This could be undertaken by the EC outside the scope
of policy IMHO.


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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz> wrote:

> Rajesh, the issue will be that the Secretariat has to be given a clear
> definition of "genuine".  It is unfair to them to expect that they
> administer a rule which is not well defined.
>
> Putting a date makes life clear (not better, but clear).
>
>
> --
> Sanjeev Gupta
> +65 98551208   http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Rajesh Panwala <raj...@smartlinkindia.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I partially support the policy. For genuine M&A cases , there should not
>> be any restriction on transfer of resources. M&A activities are part and
>> parcel of routine business and no one knows when will it take place.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Rajesh Panwala
>> For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
>> +91-9227886001 <+91%2092278%2086001>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Bertrand Cherrier <
>> b.cherr...@micrologic.nc> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear SIG members,
>>>
>>> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has
>>> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
>>>
>>> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in
>>> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.
>>>
>>> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
>>> before the meeting.
>>>
>>> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
>>> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
>>> express your views on the proposal:
>>>
>>>  - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
>>>  - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
>>>    tell the community about your situation.
>>>  - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
>>>  - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
>>>  - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
>>>    effective?
>>>
>>> Information about this proposal is available at:
>>>
>>>    http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
>>> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
>>>
>>> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Proposer:        Alex Yang
>>>                  yang...@126.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Problem statement
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in
>>> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep
>>> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8
>>> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.
>>>
>>> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>>> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The
>>> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those
>>> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to
>>> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,
>>> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC
>>> Whois data.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Objective of policy change
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Situation in other regions
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No such situation in other regions.
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. Proposed policy solution
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> “Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)
>>> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment”
>>> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14
>>> Sep 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Advantages:
>>>
>>> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC
>>>   Whois data correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> Disadvantages:
>>>
>>> None.
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. Impact on resource holders
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources
>>> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. References
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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