I agree, but there needs to be some protection for APNIC on the resources
left.

But I think the APNIC EC can probably decide on the best way to evaluate
this themselves.


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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Rajesh Panwala <raj...@smartlinkindia.com>
wrote:

> Dear Team,
>
> My submission is " All M&A cases should be excluded from denying the
> transfer."
>
> As M&A is routine business activity, there is no point barring transfer.
>
> regards,
>
> Rajesh Panwala
> For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
> +91-9227886001
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz> wrote:
>
>> Rajesh, the issue will be that the Secretariat has to be given a clear
>> definition of "genuine".  It is unfair to them to expect that they
>> administer a rule which is not well defined.
>>
>> Putting a date makes life clear (not better, but clear).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sanjeev Gupta
>> +65 98551208   http://sg.linkedin.com/in/ghane
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Rajesh Panwala <
>> raj...@smartlinkindia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I partially support the policy. For genuine M&A cases , there should not
>>> be any restriction on transfer of resources. M&A activities are part and
>>> parcel of routine business and no one knows when will it take place.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Rajesh Panwala
>>> For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
>>> +91-9227886001 <+91%2092278%2086001>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Bertrand Cherrier <
>>> b.cherr...@micrologic.nc> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear SIG members,
>>>>
>>>> The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has
>>>> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
>>>>
>>>> It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in
>>>> Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018.
>>>>
>>>> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
>>>> before the meeting.
>>>>
>>>> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
>>>> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
>>>> express your views on the proposal:
>>>>
>>>>  - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
>>>>  - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
>>>>    tell the community about your situation.
>>>>  - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
>>>>  - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
>>>>  - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
>>>>    effective?
>>>>
>>>> Information about this proposal is available at:
>>>>
>>>>    http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-123
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Sumon, Bertrand, Ching-Heng
>>>> APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/prop-123-v001.txt
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Proposer:        Alex Yang
>>>>                  yang...@126.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Problem statement
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in
>>>> the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep
>>>> 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from 103/8
>>>> block if the delegation date is less than 5 years.
>>>>
>>>> However, some of the 103/8 ranges were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>>>> Those resources should not be subjected to 5 years restriction. The
>>>> community was not aware of the restriction when they received those
>>>> resources, some of the resources have been transferred or planning to
>>>> transfer. If APNIC is not allow those transfers to be registered,
>>>> there will be underground transfers. This will cause incorrect APNIC
>>>> Whois data.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Objective of policy change
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> To keep the APNIC Whois data correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Situation in other regions
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> No such situation in other regions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4. Proposed policy solution
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> “Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under final /8 address block (103/8)
>>>> which have not passed five years after its allocation/assignment”
>>>> should only apply to those ranges were delegated from APNIC since 14
>>>> Sep 2017.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5. Advantages / Disadvantages
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Advantages:
>>>>
>>>> - Allow APNIC to register those 103/8 transfers to keep the APNIC
>>>>   Whois data correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Disadvantages:
>>>>
>>>> None.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6. Impact on resource holders
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Resource holders are allowed to transfer 103/8 ranges if the resources
>>>> were delegated before 14 Sep 2017.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 7. References
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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