Hi,
Personally I find the sarcasm and implications contained in David's
email to be of the same kind of negative tone for which he was banned
in the first place. I'd say if he hasn't changed by now then it's not
likely to happen and he should just stay banned. Sorry David. It's too
important to have a useful forum for exchange of information and
unnecessary arguments can make it useless for the majority.
my 2c.
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On 05/10/2011, at 4:31 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote:
David Lyon, who has the privilege of being the only real person to
ever been banned from posting on the Silicon Beach mailing list,
decided to write this note for me. Refer below.
My comments:
(1) I hate censorship and have been a big advocate to the government
to ensure the Internet is open. Refer to [1], [2], and [3]
(2) I get a lot of email from people, begging me to ban certain
people, to step up and enforce moderation of posts, and other
requests. But my philosophical rejection in censorship is why I've
resisted from ever banning anyone outside of genuine spammers. Lyon
was the first and I hope the last time, and I had said it would be
temporary and for only 90 days (from March 25). I completely forgot
-- do people want me to lift the ban or keep it extended?
(3) When it comes to communities where everyone has an equal voice,
some people abuse it. The risk is that they turn away other people,
decreasing the value of community -- which is why I consider it
crucial to enforce a moderation policy. Moderation is different from
banning people to have a voice.
(4) Lots of people use this mailing list for their own benefit. PR
people promote events, founders try to recruit for their company,
and writers try to drive traffic. It's not obvious, but I hope in
open discussion people recognise the boundaries and common sense can
prevail.
[1] http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2008/07/internet-censorship-in-australia/
[2]
http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2009/03/the-australian-cancer-that-will-kill-the-internet/
[3] http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2009/12/why-im-angry/
Elias Bizannes
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Lyon <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SiliconBeach] Re: New fund for tech start-ups
To: [email protected]
What's up Elias?
Complaining about everybody who posts as being spam is really boring.
Unfortunately, we can't all work for big American vc firms like you
and if people in Australia say anything - you just censor them or
try to
shut them down.
It must be really great being american now and enforcing censorship
on people
in other countries from the comfort of your luxury life? working
from the
large VC firm.
silicon beach is really great now that your censorship lives on..
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Elias Bizannes <[email protected]
> wrote:
Yes, thanks Kate
I might add there's a thin line between a member of the community
posting a link for discussion and a journalist trying to drive
traffic to their article.
If the post explains the main points and includes the link for those
who want to know more: great.
If the article teases what the article is about and encourages
people to click: that's spam.
Elias Bizannes
http://eliasbizannes.com
Coming to a freeway near you: http://startupbus.com
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Kate Kendall
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Ollie,
Welcome! Great work on the ongoing coverage.
Perhaps it would look less like "mindless plugging" and more
personal if you or your reporters posted under their own name.
I think it follows the SB Google Group convetion too.
Keen to follow the updates...
Cheers,
Kate
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