Hi,

There is no good answer to this question as you've probably worked out. It is only full of very opinionated opinions.
So here's mine.

Note: At the end of the day its where you personally can locate good talent, and what your tech lead likes that will mater more than whatever opinion some outside person has on their web technology of choice. It's not science. Ss long as your tech lead picks something popular and well supported you should be right. Note I'm indicating you should get a tech lead FIRST before picking a technology.

What I can say is the stats show python is a good bet long term. Although RoR fans tends to be very vocal the stats show a different story.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=python+django
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ruby+on+rails

Look at the trends rather than absolute popularity since the search terms are very different. You'll notice RoR popularity has largely plateaued and is declining. Django continues to grow.

Partly this can be attributed to the fact that python is a hugely popular language with libraries for virtually anything which is an advantage compared to niche languages used only for web development. Pythons PyPy project is now achieving JIT powered speeds comparible to V8 javascript performance, and it's always been faster than ruby. Python is also incredibly easy to learn. Other than that there isn't a lot of difference between ruby and python. I'm not an expert of rails or django but I'd guess and say for any large development the frameworks aren't much different.

And if you listened to what is currently latest hype you'd think scala, groovy and node.js had some kind of large market share.

http://langpop.com/
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html (python is largely on a growth curve)

Of course in terms of web technology PHP outstrips them all in popularity but then it's not all about popularity is it :)

For a web framework I personally use Pyramid, which isn't mentioned above at all :)

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On 13/11/2011, at 12:04 PM, simran wrote:

Hi All,

A friend of mine who owns a design company in sydney is looking at getting deeper into the value chain.

It is currently a small startup firm (just grew from 3-7 in the last 4 weeks though) - and they use a lot of wordpress for putting up sites.

He is interested in moving up the value chain into a little bit of development... most design jobs he has done are in the $0-10k range, but is also interested in taking on development work in the $10-$30k range, so it's not building your next site that will get a billion visitors, but sites with some custom functionality and reasonable usership!

There is some PHP knowledge inhouse as a result of the use of wordpress.

He asked me for recommendations on what he should use as a framework to start some development - and i said i'd ask the startup community on what they are using and what is popular... so here goes...

What frameworks are people using out there? and maybe a one line pro/ con?

I'm from the perl era, and would have ordinarily recommended perl / mod_perl / postgres / Template Toolkit and the likes, but that's my bias based on familiarity... i'm sure there are easier more rapid development frameworks out there (perhaps some ruby on rails?)

Love to hear from you on what you use, what you would recommend and how you find it?

simran.

ps: traditionally i am personally biased against PHP/ASP type stuff because it makes it "too easy" to mix business and presentation logic!


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