The implication of your reply is that offshore developers are generally 10x worse than onshore. It indicates you haven't worked with a kickass offshore team. I thought the same way you did until working in an environment with blended on/offshore.
Look, finding developers on odesk hasn't been too reliable for me either. Too often they're scamming. But I have actually found some good ones on there too. But the best developers I have worked with are in Russia and Belarus. Honest, hard working, skilled and willing to call bullshit. Finding a good shop is not that hard if you're committed. But you've got to be willing to hire a team of 3 or 4 to make an offshore company bother working with you. Regards, Patrick Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Andrew Stone <and...@drivenlogic.com.au> wrote: > BTW: if you are interested in understanding a bit more about developer > productivity here is a post you might like: > http://haacked.com/archive/2007/06/25/understanding-productivity-differences-between-developers.aspx > > Remembering that that post above does not consider the extra overhead of > managing workers across time zones and over language barriers. > > On 16 August 2013 15:28, Andrew Stone <and...@drivenlogic.com.au> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The techniques described by Chaitanya will require at least some onshore >> development anyway. >> >> And yes, I'm biased toward the high quality end of the market... simply >> because, software is no different to anything else that is created or >> built... at the end of the day you get what you pay for. >> Also, by no means am I suggesting that oDesk is not a useful platform for >> getting things done, nor am I trying to generate FUD. >> >> I do think however, given your content is 'health data' that those >> transborder issues you mention, might extend a bit further... in that you >> have zero recourse once you go OS with legal issues, contracts, NDAs, IP and >> so on. If you send data or code OS you better be ready to consider it >> public domain... if you app ends up shonky and leaks data once up and >> running. You are responsible. Don't expect to be able to blame some $10 >> oDesker. ;-) >> >> If you use someone local you are protected under the Competition and >> Consumer Act http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011C00003 otherwise the buck >> stops with you. Again you might be fine with that. >> I would in the very least have someone who knows what they are doing >> performing regular code reviews if you use *any* type of cheap labour, >> regardless of location. >> >> To reiterate, it depends on the product/system as to whether these things >> are important or relevant to you... from your email it does not sound like >> you are building a MVP or "version one" type throw away? Or dealing with >> insensitive data? >> >> We review code from overseas regularly, some of it is great and some is so >> bad I can't believe my eyes on occasion. >> Geographic location does seem show a pattern, but I'm not willing to >> generalise on such things. :) >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Andrew Stone - Founder >> +61 (0)412 488 251 >> +61 (0)2 9043 3851 >> andrew.st...@drivenlogic.com.au >> >> http://www.drivenlogic.com.au >> >> Creating Sydney's best enterprise software >> Drivenlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 2746, Sydney, NSW, 2001, Australia. >> >> >> >> On 16 August 2013 12:40, Chaitanya Kuber <chaitanya.ku...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Hugh, >>> >>> One idea would be to split the app and data into two products. Build a >>> service to access the data onshore and build the app to present the data >>> offshore. This will allow you to easily update/change data without >>> releasing new app versions as well as safe guarding the data. >>> >>> Feel free to DM me if you want to discuss further. >>> >>> --- >>> Cheers >>> Chaitanya >>> >>> >>> On 16 Aug 2013, at 11:50 am, Hugh Stephens <hughsteph...@hughstephens.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I'm working on a project for a client at the moment about producing an >>>> evidence based framework for mobile apps (focus iOS / Android) that have a >>>> health promotion feature (e.g. quit smoking apps). >>>> >>>> One of the areas we've identified as a potential issue from a dev >>>> perspective is the risk of offshore development compared to onshore (AU) - >>>> mostly due to the regulatory requirements of apps containing health data >>>> here in AU (transborder data flow is discouraged - health privacy >>>> principle) and whether OS devs (I'm mostly talking here about the >>>> low-cost-outsourced kind of devs, your $10ph oDeskers of the dev world) >>>> may produce a risk that the "data security" of the app may be compromised >>>> by a dodgy job. 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