Yeah I'm over this. I've said my piece and don't plan on responding further.
Dylan Sale
On 12 September 2013 14:01, Patrick Collins <pcolli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, are we all done? Please stop. Please.
>
> Regards,
> Patrick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Geoff Langdale <geoff.langd...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> OK. So, quite a thread. I'm not crazy about keeping it going in *any*
> form, but this thread is a canonical example of What Not To Do (for almost
> all concerned, probably including myself):
>
> 1) Spare me the histrionics - I think the consensus among the people who
> *really* didn't like this presentation was that these guys acted like
> idiots, and should have made a real apology immediately, and that's about
> it. Even in some of the more excessive responses I saw elsewhere on the net
> I don't recall anyone suggesting they be "strung up", be ostracized, "never
> work again", etc. Get a grip on yourselves. This is a nice way of taking
> the high moral ground, but effectively, what you're saying is "shut the
> hell up and don't criticize anyone".
>
> 2) Stop dressing up opinions and spin as "secret inside knowledge". To
> read some of the posts, you'd think that the whole event was actually a
> carefully coded ritual conducted in Swahili, and that only a Elder of the
> Tribe can actually explain the Mysterious Events that were captured in the
> 1 minute video.
>
> Sorry, but it's a pitching competition. It's a one minute video. We saw
> it. We get it. I also understand that some people think the routine was
> funny, or understandable, or some bit of random Aussie "jocularity" that
> Americans don't understand, etc. It's possible to disagree about that
> without pretending that you have the ONE TRUE INTERPRETATION OF EVERYTHING
> and that anyone with a different viewpoint to yours is just "overreacting"
> without possession of the "real facts". The real facts are that the guys
> stood up and did what they did at a not-particularly-mysterious public
> event, and there a video of exactly what they did. Everything else is
> interpretation, including all the bollocks about how it was just comedy and
> no-one is apparently allowed to say anything as a result.
>
> Honestly one of the major things keeping the controversy going is that
> people like Dylan and Elias don't seem to understand this above point, and
> instead feel the need to descend from On High and inform everyone who was
> offended or annoyed that they are in fact Wrong and Missing the Point. This
> isn't made that any more palatable by wheeling out a million irrelevancies
> ("if this had been a anti-douchebag app, people would have liked it",
> "Aussies are larrikins", "in a comedy club this would have been OK", "we
> live in a culture where people act like farts cause global warming").
>
> If you think the world needs to be a little more Bro-Friendly, just say
> so... it's a point of view. :-) Many people will disagree, but at least
> you're engaged in a actual conversation, not parading around claiming that
> you've got access to the true state of affairs and everyone else is a
> hysterical moron.
>
> 3) A swift actual apology short-circuits almost everything, and the less
> bullshit excuses in the apology, the more likely that the whole thing will
> go away. What not to do: "guys here, sorry if we offended some of you, very
> unintentional. Just a fun Aussie hack." Techcrunch got this right with
> their detailed apology.
>
> Alternately don't apologize and brazen it out; but please don't do that
> bullshit thing where you apologize that "you were offended that I did X".
> Either you're sorry you did X or you're not. If you're not sorry, then
> harden up and say that. You can't have it both ways.
>
>
>
> Just my opinion; feel free to recognize it (and your own) as such.
>
> Geoff.
>
> On Monday, 9 September 2013 17:06:12 UTC+10, Geoff Langdale wrote:
>>
>> Great work:
>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-**life/smartphone-apps/**
>> techcrunch-forced-to-**apologise-over-sydney-duos-**
>> titstare-app-20130909-2tflb.**html<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/techcrunch-forced-to-apologise-over-sydney-duos-titstare-app-20130909-2tflb.html>
>>
>> http://www.theatlanticwire.**com/technology/2013/09/**
>> titstare-tech-worlds-latest-**brogrammer-joke-techcrunch-**disrupt/69171/<http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/09/titstare-tech-worlds-latest-brogrammer-joke-techcrunch-disrupt/69171/>
>>
>> It's got everything, right down to the pro forma "sorry if you are
>> offended" disingenuous apology on twitter. And apparently this is a "fun
>> Aussie hack", which insults fun, Aussies and hacks.
>>
>>
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