Interesting. Well in that case if (say) my wife fully owns the LLC she can get a Programmer Analyst LCA for me. Should be legally good.
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:34:47 AM UTC+11, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > Yes, this is where Geoff and I fundamentally disagree: because he didn't > get pinged on it he assumes it doesn't matter. It like the pipes in a > building: you don't appreciate the work on installing them properly until > they break and the shit comes out, so to speak. > > Facts: > * E3 visa: it's an employee visa. > * A board of directors that can fire you is what constitutes an > "employee/employer" relationship as I explain here > http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2012/07/how-to-become-a-full-time-entrepreneur-in-the-us/<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Feliasbizannes.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F07%2Fhow-to-become-a-full-time-entrepreneur-in-the-us%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFfxvr5REIf0mnovSgXtZ4ZXXqWMg> > and > that the lawyers of Rapportive advised them to do for a lot of money (how I > independently learned about it) before the US government officially > clarified this stance. > * An E3 visa needs you to meet the prevailing wage case. > > Understand the above and the rest is just procedure. > > Both Geoff and I have done this, as do all the Start mate companies that > I've met. It's a legitimate approach. > Of course, this is a corporate governance loop hole when you elect the > board directors and you can also fire them but at the end of the day, a > board director role if installed properly is a legit function that is > independent of the whims of the shareholder and so I see no reason why the > US government would remove this approach. > It has been done for years but only recently clarified publicly as part of > a recent effort to improve the immigration system without relying on > changes to government policy (ie, rules are one thing, but the power is in > interpreting them). > > -- > Elias Bizannes > Sent with > Airmail<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fairmailapp.com%2Ftracking&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHTkiKFjIQ_maoQGyXOVBbjGYW0sg> > ------------------------------ > From: imad imad <javascript:> > Reply: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Date: November 19, 2013 at 4:10:49 PM > To: silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Subject: Re: [SiliconBeach] Moving your startup over to the US -> E3 > > Your blog is quite clear there is nothing that I don't understand as such. > Its just that I am hearing two contradicting opinions. Many advise that E3 > is to be an employee so someone should be able to fire you. That is an > employee-employer relation. However you totally by passed that situation > and became a business owner on E3, can't be fired. > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Geoff McQueen | AffinityLive < > geoff....@affinitylive.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I'm mostly a farmer nowadays. If you've got questions post them on the >> blog so others can benefit from the advice. Basically, you need to be able >> to convince someone who's skeptical that your company can pay your salary >> (and some). If they turn you down, you're pretty much screwed for life - so >> don't treat it flippantly. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Elias Bizannes >> <elias.b...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Software or farming, it's the same. >>> >>> Have a board of directors that can technically fire you, pay yourself >>> above the prevailing wage, and you're set. Geoff's posts covers the >>> procedure well, my post talks about the actual concept being legit with >>> some links to the government >>> http://eliasbizannes.com/blog/2012/07/how-to-become-a-full-time-entrepreneur-in-the-us/<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Feliasbizannes.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F07%2Fhow-to-become-a-full-time-entrepreneur-in-the-us%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFfxvr5REIf0mnovSgXtZ4ZXXqWMg> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elias Bizannes >>> Sent with >>> Airmail<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fairmailapp.com%2Ftracking&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHTkiKFjIQ_maoQGyXOVBbjGYW0sg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: imad imad <javascript:> >>> Reply: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>> silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>> Date: November 17, 2013 at 11:55:14 PM >>> To: silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>> silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>> Subject: Re: [SiliconBeach] Moving your startup over to the US -> E3 >>> >>> Oh geoff... You are here. Good to know that. >>> >>> I am thinking to do something like what you did but didnt know you are a >>> software guy. I am in a pretty early stage so trying to find out how >>> established I need to be to make it sound legit. >>> >>> Thanks >>> On 18/11/2013 5:45 PM, "Geoff McQueen | AffinityLive" < >>> geoff....@affinitylive.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=australia+e3+startup+software+delaware<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Flmgtfy.com%2F%3Fq%3Daustralia%2Be3%2Bstartup%2Bsoftware%2Bdelaware&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEgpc5zSf6AA-oIZR72bgmsCjOutw> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Imad <imm...@gmail.com >>>> <javascript:>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, questions from guys who has gone through E3 visa >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone got any experience applying for E3 visa themselves? I am >>>>> looking to establish my presence over in the US and work from there but I >>>>> realize E3 visa for Australians is to work there for an employer NOT for >>>>> self employed. But I read a blog by someone who established a Delaware >>>>> LLC >>>>> online and got his LCA approved by his own company and then applied an E3 >>>>> for himself. I am looking for a software guy who has actually done this >>>>> type of thing. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>>>> Beach Australia mailing list. Vist >>>>> http://siliconbeachaustralia.org<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsiliconbeachaustralia.org&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFb1eyG8CarU49Yn_Te7B_CTZLGzQ>for >>>>> more >>>>> >>>>> Forum rules >>>>> 1) No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself. >>>>> 2) No jobs postings. 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