You just had to get that last dig in, didn't you Geoff L?! LOL. Okay. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Geoff Langdale <geoff.langd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-escalated-quickly > > Huh. I thought I was being constructive, or at least informative. Let me > unpack my comments a bit: > > 1. I certainly am not prejudging your idea as "bad". Just saying that > practically everyone is in love with their own ideas to the point that not > only do people not want to steal your idea, it's unlikely you'll be able to > *make* them steal your idea if you wanted to. > > 2. I'm not being snarky about the whole idea of "seeking a tech cofounder" > - just pointing out that it is *very* hard to find uncommitted tech folks > willing to work on someone else's idea as a tech cofounder. Not saying *you're > *a running joke, just that the undersupply of tech cofounders and > constant requests for same became a running joke here a few years back. I > think a lot of the "teach yourself to code" momentum came about as a way of > addressing that. > > 3. Invoking Alan Downie's advice about this ("work for someone else's > startup for a while") is in not meant to be dismissive (i.e. "your idea > sucks, go work for someone else"). The process of working for someone > else's startup gives you a chance to see a lot more about how the whole > thing works, meet people, iterate on your idea in the off-hours, etc. > > 4. If you are going to learn some tech skills, UX and the ability to tell > a detailed story about what it is that you want is key. I think 'coding > skills' are very hard to develop but the ability to construct a *detailed > *storyboard that lays out what will actually happen in a UI interaction > what precisely what needs to be done is a very good bridge to those coding > skills. The gap between a hand-wave prototype and realizing "Oh crap, it's > going to take someone 19 separate annoying steps to do something simple > with my app" lies in this area. I think this is eminently solvable by > training and was encouraging you to focus on that more than trying to teach > yourself to program from scratch. > > I don't know for sure that I'm insecure; I have a few years in the > trenches, an exit, a first name which doesn't vary from post to post *and > *a last name. > > Geoff. > > On Thursday, 19 March 2015 12:52:57 UTC+11, StartUp Mosman wrote: >> >> Hi Geoff M >> >> My comment was for Geoff Langdale. I apologise if you thought my comment >> was direct at you. It wasn't at all. I appreciate all the feedback on here. >> I do think Geoff L's feedback was coming from an insecure place, hence the >> barrage of negativity and "can't do" attitude. Some people just aren't >> mentor material. >> >> I agree with Simran's well articulated response: "but if it comes from a >> really negative place (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, i'm the >> king of the world types) then it's not even considered - and the person >> giving it has wasted his time and the other person's time." Well said, >> Simran. >> >> Certainly, Geoff M, I valued your advice. I'm okay with frank and >> constructive advice. It's the destructive advice that has no place here. >> >> Cheers >> >> Lilly >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Geoff McQueen | AffinityLive < >> geoff....@affinitylive.com> wrote: >> >>> Right, good to clarify that discouraging and uninspiring advice from >>> someone with a lot of experience in this sort of thing isn't welcome. In >>> that case, my advice at the top should have been: >>> >>> - *Quit your job. *Now. Carpe Fucking Diem. If you get to the end of >>> this email without jumping up and shouting "I'm out of here to pursue my >>> startup dreams" you're just not cut out for it as you'll have proven your >>> lack of energy, passion and risk taking isn't up to being an >>> entrepreneur. >>> - *Move to the Bay Area. *Now. This is where it is at and starting a >>> company anywhere else is a waste of your life. Visualize the success you >>> deserve, truly deserve, and then go out and snatch it. There's money >>> falling from the sky here - small companies that do nothing (Yo) raise >>> millions and pin boards for homemakers to daydream with are worth over 10 >>> billion dollars. The only real step to achieving your dreams is to get >>> over >>> to San Francisco and you're made. The investors will be impressed by your >>> willingness to move across the world where you have no networks, no >>> connections, no credibility, no product, no customers and no traction and >>> were still brave enough to do it!! Crazy brave! That's what they're >>> looking >>> for - crazy brave thunder lizards!!!! Why shouldn't it be you? >>> - *Dream big and don't let anyone tell you you're wrong. *You've >>> thought about your idea a lot longer than them, so what would they know? >>> We >>> all know contrarians changed the world so going against the tide is a >>> sure >>> sign you're onto something big. The secret to success is to just keep >>> going, no matter what, and you'll get there in the end - so taking >>> outside >>> advice and opinions on board is really just a sign for the weak who want >>> an >>> excuse to give up. >>> - *Keep your idea secret and don't tell anyone - it is too valuable!* >>> There are so many vultures out there with almost limitless technical >>> talent >>> resources and commercial experience and connections die for, but they're >>> just unable to think of their own good ideas - and if you're not careful >>> they'll steal yours. They hang out at the Grove and the Creamery just >>> trying to overhead incredible original ideas and then steal them - the >>> only >>> way to make sure they can't is to never tell anyone anything. >>> >>> Seriously though, you've come onto a list and asked for help and advice >>> and experienced people have offered to help. They could have said "another >>> non-technical wantrepreneur trying with an idea for a tech business who >>> thinks their idea is awesome and wants to know the secret in getting from >>> underpants to profit; yet another deluded fool and wasting their life on >>> something that will never get anywhere". But they didn't. And now I'm >>> genuinely concerned for the next guy or girl who posts to this list and >>> asks for help and having experienced operators like Geoff Langdale just >>> ignore their request for advice because it isn't what someone wants to >>> hear, because while they probably won't read your post and disrespectful >>> response to someone answering a request for advice, the people who can help >>> on this list will all remember it and the community will be the worse for >>> it. >>> >>> Good luck. >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, simran <sim...@dn.gs> wrote: >>> >>>> Good point Mike, although if i may, i'll give a slightly different >>>> perspective (not referring to *any* of the earlier posts or with reference >>>> to any person - my comment is solely a response to your statement): >>>> >>>> Encouragement is perhaps equally valuable if not more. Hearing an >>>> opinion from anyone (and it is just an opinion albeit, sometimes based in >>>> more experience) can be really valuable, it's always worth considering and >>>> then discarding if need be... but if it comes from a really negative place >>>> (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, i'm the king of the world >>>> types) then it's not even considered - and the person giving it has wasted >>>> his time and the other person's time. >>>> >>>> It's *always* worth trying to understand the context the question is >>>> coming from, and then responding in a way that can be understood. >>>> >>>> If after all, we *only cared* about "hard facts as we see them" >>>> (according to our experience) - then each schoolteacher would be yelling at >>>> every school kid all day... and i for one don't think that would produce >>>> good results :) >>>> >>>> On a separate note, i think we can learn a HUGE amount from dog >>>> trainers... you'll be amazed at how totally *positive* driven training >>>> is... it's got there as positivity bought forth much better results... i >>>> think we can learn a lot from that. >>>> >>>> Having said that, absolutely, one needs to give their opinion, >>>> factually, unmasked and as they see it, but it *is possible* to do it >>>> without yelling / screaming as that usually never gets the point across... >>>> :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mike Gardiner <m...@limerocket.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Elly some of the most valuable advice will be things you dont want to >>>>> hear and at these early stages you dont need to be inspired and patted on >>>>> the back you need people telling you how it is. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers,Mike. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>>> Beach Australia mailing list. 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