Robby, You're quite right to point out that my last email was out of line and inappropriate, specifically describing Elly's conduct as "being a dick" - Elly, I'm sorry for posting that, and to the rest of the SBA community, I'm also sorry for setting a bad example; there's no excuse for it and I was very clearly being a dick. Sorry once again.
One thing I do need to challenge in your post was the reference to Startmate - I didn't mention Startmate at all in any post in this thread, and while it is something I'm involved with, it isn't an organization that I represent or speak on behalf of and to infer that (and bring it up) when you're (quite reasonably) calling me out for being a dick is wrong and inaccurate. Geoff On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:28 PM, <robbyba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Geoff McQueen, > > Just a friendly word of advice, mate. *You* are your *brand* and a brand > can be destroyed in moments. You are headed for a very hard fall if you > keep representing yourself in this way, and promoting your 'mentor' > position with startmate. Nikki Scevak may take issue with how your are > attacking Elly in this public forum. > > What's the definition of a mentor? Someone who is undermining, > discouraging and verging on abusive? > > Your specialty is one thing. Everyone has a specialty, but not everyone > has an inflated ego and abusive tone with people who show interest in their > specialty. What's ironic is that you don't even know what Elly's planning. > > I say, go for it, Elly. You'll learn a lot along the journey and no one > can say you won't make it even the first time around. Go for it! > > In any case, this thread certainly makes for some interesting publicity > down the track. > > Robby. > > > > > On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:06:05 AM UTC+11, Geoff McQueen wrote: >> >> I think he bit you're missing in that reply Elly was the thank you for >> Geoff's time & advice and apology for being a dick. LOL? Yawn. >> >> --- >> Sent from my Android - pls excuse typos >> On Mar 18, 2015 7:13 PM, "StartUp Mosman" <mosman...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You just had to get that last dig in, didn't you Geoff L?! LOL. Okay. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Geoff Langdale <geoff.l...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-escalated-quickly >>>> >>>> Huh. I thought I was being constructive, or at least informative. Let >>>> me unpack my comments a bit: >>>> >>>> 1. I certainly am not prejudging your idea as "bad". Just saying that >>>> practically everyone is in love with their own ideas to the point that not >>>> only do people not want to steal your idea, it's unlikely you'll be able to >>>> *make* them steal your idea if you wanted to. >>>> >>>> 2. I'm not being snarky about the whole idea of "seeking a tech >>>> cofounder" - just pointing out that it is *very* hard to find uncommitted >>>> tech folks willing to work on someone else's idea as a tech cofounder. Not >>>> saying *you're *a running joke, just that the undersupply of tech >>>> cofounders and constant requests for same became a running joke here a few >>>> years back. I think a lot of the "teach yourself to code" momentum came >>>> about as a way of addressing that. >>>> >>>> 3. Invoking Alan Downie's advice about this ("work for someone else's >>>> startup for a while") is in not meant to be dismissive (i.e. "your idea >>>> sucks, go work for someone else"). The process of working for someone >>>> else's startup gives you a chance to see a lot more about how the whole >>>> thing works, meet people, iterate on your idea in the off-hours, etc. >>>> >>>> 4. If you are going to learn some tech skills, UX and the ability to >>>> tell a detailed story about what it is that you want is key. I think >>>> 'coding skills' are very hard to develop but the ability to construct a >>>> *detailed >>>> *storyboard that lays out what will actually happen in a UI >>>> interaction what precisely what needs to be done is a very good bridge to >>>> those coding skills. The gap between a hand-wave prototype and realizing >>>> "Oh crap, it's going to take someone 19 separate annoying steps to do >>>> something simple with my app" lies in this area. I think this is eminently >>>> solvable by training and was encouraging you to focus on that more than >>>> trying to teach yourself to program from scratch. >>>> >>>> I don't know for sure that I'm insecure; I have a few years in the >>>> trenches, an exit, a first name which doesn't vary from post to post *and >>>> *a last name. >>>> >>>> Geoff. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 19 March 2015 12:52:57 UTC+11, StartUp Mosman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Geoff M >>>>> >>>>> My comment was for Geoff Langdale. I apologise if you thought my >>>>> comment was direct at you. It wasn't at all. I appreciate all the feedback >>>>> on here. I do think Geoff L's feedback was coming from an insecure place, >>>>> hence the barrage of negativity and "can't do" attitude. Some people just >>>>> aren't mentor material. >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Simran's well articulated response: "but if it comes >>>>> from a really negative place (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, >>>>> i'm the king of the world types) then it's not even considered - and the >>>>> person giving it has wasted his time and the other person's time." Well >>>>> said, Simran. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly, Geoff M, I valued your advice. I'm okay with frank and >>>>> constructive advice. It's the destructive advice that has no place here. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Lilly >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Geoff McQueen | AffinityLive < >>>>> geoff....@affinitylive.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Right, good to clarify that discouraging and uninspiring advice from >>>>>> someone with a lot of experience in this sort of thing isn't welcome. In >>>>>> that case, my advice at the top should have been: >>>>>> >>>>>> - *Quit your job. *Now. Carpe Fucking Diem. If you get to the end >>>>>> of this email without jumping up and shouting "I'm out of here to >>>>>> pursue my >>>>>> startup dreams" you're just not cut out for it as you'll have proven >>>>>> your >>>>>> lack of energy, passion and risk taking isn't up to being an >>>>>> entrepreneur. >>>>>> - *Move to the Bay Area. *Now. This is where it is at and >>>>>> starting a company anywhere else is a waste of your life. Visualize >>>>>> the >>>>>> success you deserve, truly deserve, and then go out and snatch it. >>>>>> There's >>>>>> money falling from the sky here - small companies that do nothing (Yo) >>>>>> raise millions and pin boards for homemakers to daydream with are >>>>>> worth >>>>>> over 10 billion dollars. The only real step to achieving your dreams >>>>>> is to >>>>>> get over to San Francisco and you're made. The investors will be >>>>>> impressed >>>>>> by your willingness to move across the world where you have no >>>>>> networks, no >>>>>> connections, no credibility, no product, no customers and no traction >>>>>> and >>>>>> were still brave enough to do it!! Crazy brave! That's what they're >>>>>> looking >>>>>> for - crazy brave thunder lizards!!!! Why shouldn't it be you? >>>>>> - *Dream big and don't let anyone tell you you're wrong. *You've >>>>>> thought about your idea a lot longer than them, so what would they >>>>>> know? We >>>>>> all know contrarians changed the world so going against the tide is a >>>>>> sure >>>>>> sign you're onto something big. The secret to success is to just keep >>>>>> going, no matter what, and you'll get there in the end - so taking >>>>>> outside >>>>>> advice and opinions on board is really just a sign for the weak who >>>>>> want an >>>>>> excuse to give up. >>>>>> - *Keep your idea secret and don't tell anyone - it is too >>>>>> valuable!* There are so many vultures out there with almost >>>>>> limitless technical talent resources and commercial experience and >>>>>> connections die for, but they're just unable to think of their own >>>>>> good >>>>>> ideas - and if you're not careful they'll steal yours. They hang out >>>>>> at the >>>>>> Grove and the Creamery just trying to overhead incredible original >>>>>> ideas >>>>>> and then steal them - the only way to make sure they can't is to >>>>>> never tell >>>>>> anyone anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously though, you've come onto a list and asked for help and >>>>>> advice and experienced people have offered to help. They could have said >>>>>> "another non-technical wantrepreneur trying with an idea for a tech >>>>>> business who thinks their idea is awesome and wants to know the secret in >>>>>> getting from underpants to profit; yet another deluded fool and wasting >>>>>> their life on something that will never get anywhere". But they didn't. >>>>>> And >>>>>> now I'm genuinely concerned for the next guy or girl who posts to this >>>>>> list >>>>>> and asks for help and having experienced operators like Geoff Langdale >>>>>> just >>>>>> ignore their request for advice because it isn't what someone wants to >>>>>> hear, because while they probably won't read your post and disrespectful >>>>>> response to someone answering a request for advice, the people who can >>>>>> help >>>>>> on this list will all remember it and the community will be the worse for >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck. >>>>>> >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, simran <sim...@dn.gs> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good point Mike, although if i may, i'll give a slightly different >>>>>>> perspective (not referring to *any* of the earlier posts or with >>>>>>> reference >>>>>>> to any person - my comment is solely a response to your statement): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Encouragement is perhaps equally valuable if not more. Hearing an >>>>>>> opinion from anyone (and it is just an opinion albeit, sometimes based >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> more experience) can be really valuable, it's always worth considering >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then discarding if need be... but if it comes from a really negative >>>>>>> place >>>>>>> (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, i'm the king of the world >>>>>>> types) then it's not even considered - and the person giving it has >>>>>>> wasted >>>>>>> his time and the other person's time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's *always* worth trying to understand the context the question is >>>>>>> coming from, and then responding in a way that can be understood. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If after all, we *only cared* about "hard facts as we see them" >>>>>>> (according to our experience) - then each schoolteacher would be >>>>>>> yelling at >>>>>>> every school kid all day... and i for one don't think that would produce >>>>>>> good results :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a separate note, i think we can learn a HUGE amount from dog >>>>>>> trainers... you'll be amazed at how totally *positive* driven training >>>>>>> is... it's got there as positivity bought forth much better results... i >>>>>>> think we can learn a lot from that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having said that, absolutely, one needs to give their opinion, >>>>>>> factually, unmasked and as they see it, but it *is possible* to do it >>>>>>> without yelling / screaming as that usually never gets the point >>>>>>> across... >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mike Gardiner <m...@limerocket.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Elly some of the most valuable advice will be things you dont want >>>>>>>> to hear and at these early stages you dont need to be inspired and >>>>>>>> patted >>>>>>>> on the back you need people telling you how it is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,Mike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>>>>>> Beach Australia mailing list. 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You can use http://siliconbeachaustralia.org/jobs > > > To post to this group, send email to > silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > silicon-beach-australia+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Silicon Beach Australia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to silicon-beach-australia+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- *Geoff McQueen* *Founder & CEO* __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ <http://www.affinitylive.com> Office: +1 800.425.7315 Cell: +1 650.450.4384 Skype: geoffmcqueen On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:28 PM, <robbyba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Geoff McQueen, > > Just a friendly word of advice, mate. *You* are your *brand* and a brand > can be destroyed in moments. You are headed for a very hard fall if you > keep representing yourself in this way, and promoting your 'mentor' > position with startmate. Nikki Scevak may take issue with how your are > attacking Elly in this public forum. > > What's the definition of a mentor? Someone who is undermining, > discouraging and verging on abusive? > > Your specialty is one thing. Everyone has a specialty, but not everyone > has an inflated ego and abusive tone with people who show interest in their > specialty. What's ironic is that you don't even know what Elly's planning. > > I say, go for it, Elly. You'll learn a lot along the journey and no one > can say you won't make it even the first time around. Go for it! > > In any case, this thread certainly makes for some interesting publicity > down the track. > > Robby. > > > > > On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 2:06:05 AM UTC+11, Geoff McQueen wrote: >> >> I think he bit you're missing in that reply Elly was the thank you for >> Geoff's time & advice and apology for being a dick. LOL? Yawn. >> >> --- >> Sent from my Android - pls excuse typos >> On Mar 18, 2015 7:13 PM, "StartUp Mosman" <mosman...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You just had to get that last dig in, didn't you Geoff L?! LOL. Okay. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Geoff Langdale <geoff.l...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-escalated-quickly >>>> >>>> Huh. I thought I was being constructive, or at least informative. Let >>>> me unpack my comments a bit: >>>> >>>> 1. I certainly am not prejudging your idea as "bad". Just saying that >>>> practically everyone is in love with their own ideas to the point that not >>>> only do people not want to steal your idea, it's unlikely you'll be able to >>>> *make* them steal your idea if you wanted to. >>>> >>>> 2. I'm not being snarky about the whole idea of "seeking a tech >>>> cofounder" - just pointing out that it is *very* hard to find uncommitted >>>> tech folks willing to work on someone else's idea as a tech cofounder. Not >>>> saying *you're *a running joke, just that the undersupply of tech >>>> cofounders and constant requests for same became a running joke here a few >>>> years back. I think a lot of the "teach yourself to code" momentum came >>>> about as a way of addressing that. >>>> >>>> 3. Invoking Alan Downie's advice about this ("work for someone else's >>>> startup for a while") is in not meant to be dismissive (i.e. "your idea >>>> sucks, go work for someone else"). The process of working for someone >>>> else's startup gives you a chance to see a lot more about how the whole >>>> thing works, meet people, iterate on your idea in the off-hours, etc. >>>> >>>> 4. If you are going to learn some tech skills, UX and the ability to >>>> tell a detailed story about what it is that you want is key. I think >>>> 'coding skills' are very hard to develop but the ability to construct a >>>> *detailed >>>> *storyboard that lays out what will actually happen in a UI >>>> interaction what precisely what needs to be done is a very good bridge to >>>> those coding skills. The gap between a hand-wave prototype and realizing >>>> "Oh crap, it's going to take someone 19 separate annoying steps to do >>>> something simple with my app" lies in this area. I think this is eminently >>>> solvable by training and was encouraging you to focus on that more than >>>> trying to teach yourself to program from scratch. >>>> >>>> I don't know for sure that I'm insecure; I have a few years in the >>>> trenches, an exit, a first name which doesn't vary from post to post *and >>>> *a last name. >>>> >>>> Geoff. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 19 March 2015 12:52:57 UTC+11, StartUp Mosman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Geoff M >>>>> >>>>> My comment was for Geoff Langdale. I apologise if you thought my >>>>> comment was direct at you. It wasn't at all. I appreciate all the feedback >>>>> on here. I do think Geoff L's feedback was coming from an insecure place, >>>>> hence the barrage of negativity and "can't do" attitude. Some people just >>>>> aren't mentor material. >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Simran's well articulated response: "but if it comes >>>>> from a really negative place (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, >>>>> i'm the king of the world types) then it's not even considered - and the >>>>> person giving it has wasted his time and the other person's time." Well >>>>> said, Simran. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly, Geoff M, I valued your advice. I'm okay with frank and >>>>> constructive advice. It's the destructive advice that has no place here. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Lilly >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Geoff McQueen | AffinityLive < >>>>> geoff....@affinitylive.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Right, good to clarify that discouraging and uninspiring advice from >>>>>> someone with a lot of experience in this sort of thing isn't welcome. In >>>>>> that case, my advice at the top should have been: >>>>>> >>>>>> - *Quit your job. *Now. Carpe Fucking Diem. If you get to the end >>>>>> of this email without jumping up and shouting "I'm out of here to >>>>>> pursue my >>>>>> startup dreams" you're just not cut out for it as you'll have proven >>>>>> your >>>>>> lack of energy, passion and risk taking isn't up to being an >>>>>> entrepreneur. >>>>>> - *Move to the Bay Area. *Now. This is where it is at and >>>>>> starting a company anywhere else is a waste of your life. Visualize >>>>>> the >>>>>> success you deserve, truly deserve, and then go out and snatch it. >>>>>> There's >>>>>> money falling from the sky here - small companies that do nothing (Yo) >>>>>> raise millions and pin boards for homemakers to daydream with are >>>>>> worth >>>>>> over 10 billion dollars. The only real step to achieving your dreams >>>>>> is to >>>>>> get over to San Francisco and you're made. The investors will be >>>>>> impressed >>>>>> by your willingness to move across the world where you have no >>>>>> networks, no >>>>>> connections, no credibility, no product, no customers and no traction >>>>>> and >>>>>> were still brave enough to do it!! Crazy brave! That's what they're >>>>>> looking >>>>>> for - crazy brave thunder lizards!!!! Why shouldn't it be you? >>>>>> - *Dream big and don't let anyone tell you you're wrong. *You've >>>>>> thought about your idea a lot longer than them, so what would they >>>>>> know? We >>>>>> all know contrarians changed the world so going against the tide is a >>>>>> sure >>>>>> sign you're onto something big. The secret to success is to just keep >>>>>> going, no matter what, and you'll get there in the end - so taking >>>>>> outside >>>>>> advice and opinions on board is really just a sign for the weak who >>>>>> want an >>>>>> excuse to give up. >>>>>> - *Keep your idea secret and don't tell anyone - it is too >>>>>> valuable!* There are so many vultures out there with almost >>>>>> limitless technical talent resources and commercial experience and >>>>>> connections die for, but they're just unable to think of their own >>>>>> good >>>>>> ideas - and if you're not careful they'll steal yours. They hang out >>>>>> at the >>>>>> Grove and the Creamery just trying to overhead incredible original >>>>>> ideas >>>>>> and then steal them - the only way to make sure they can't is to >>>>>> never tell >>>>>> anyone anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously though, you've come onto a list and asked for help and >>>>>> advice and experienced people have offered to help. They could have said >>>>>> "another non-technical wantrepreneur trying with an idea for a tech >>>>>> business who thinks their idea is awesome and wants to know the secret in >>>>>> getting from underpants to profit; yet another deluded fool and wasting >>>>>> their life on something that will never get anywhere". But they didn't. >>>>>> And >>>>>> now I'm genuinely concerned for the next guy or girl who posts to this >>>>>> list >>>>>> and asks for help and having experienced operators like Geoff Langdale >>>>>> just >>>>>> ignore their request for advice because it isn't what someone wants to >>>>>> hear, because while they probably won't read your post and disrespectful >>>>>> response to someone answering a request for advice, the people who can >>>>>> help >>>>>> on this list will all remember it and the community will be the worse for >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck. >>>>>> >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, simran <sim...@dn.gs> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good point Mike, although if i may, i'll give a slightly different >>>>>>> perspective (not referring to *any* of the earlier posts or with >>>>>>> reference >>>>>>> to any person - my comment is solely a response to your statement): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Encouragement is perhaps equally valuable if not more. Hearing an >>>>>>> opinion from anyone (and it is just an opinion albeit, sometimes based >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> more experience) can be really valuable, it's always worth considering >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then discarding if need be... but if it comes from a really negative >>>>>>> place >>>>>>> (egotistical, know-it-all, you have no idea, i'm the king of the world >>>>>>> types) then it's not even considered - and the person giving it has >>>>>>> wasted >>>>>>> his time and the other person's time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's *always* worth trying to understand the context the question is >>>>>>> coming from, and then responding in a way that can be understood. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If after all, we *only cared* about "hard facts as we see them" >>>>>>> (according to our experience) - then each schoolteacher would be >>>>>>> yelling at >>>>>>> every school kid all day... and i for one don't think that would produce >>>>>>> good results :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a separate note, i think we can learn a HUGE amount from dog >>>>>>> trainers... you'll be amazed at how totally *positive* driven training >>>>>>> is... it's got there as positivity bought forth much better results... i >>>>>>> think we can learn a lot from that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having said that, absolutely, one needs to give their opinion, >>>>>>> factually, unmasked and as they see it, but it *is possible* to do it >>>>>>> without yelling / screaming as that usually never gets the point >>>>>>> across... >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mike Gardiner <m...@limerocket.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Elly some of the most valuable advice will be things you dont want >>>>>>>> to hear and at these early stages you dont need to be inspired and >>>>>>>> patted >>>>>>>> on the back you need people telling you how it is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,Mike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>>>>>> Beach Australia mailing list. Vist http://siliconbeachaustralia.org >>>>>>> for more >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forum rules >>>>>>> 1) No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself. >>>>>>> 2) No jobs postings. You can use http://siliconbeachaustralia.o >>>>>>> rg/jobs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> silicon-bea...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> silicon-beach-australia+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en?hl=en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to silicon-beach-australia+unsubs >>>>>>> cr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Geoff McQueen* >>>>>> *Founder & CEO* >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> ______________ >>>>>> <http://www.affinitylive.com> >>>>>> Office: +1 800.425.7315 >>>>>> Cell: +1 650.450.4384 >>>>>> Skype: geoffmcqueen >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon >>>>>> Beach Australia mailing list. 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