Hi CK, Thank you! *Translator/Owner* *AzulIndica Translations* *North Vancouver BC, Canada*
On Sat, Nov 1, 2025, 11:02 a.m. ckelty ckelty via Silklist < [email protected]> wrote: > I wanted to chime in earlier but I was eating a bucket of popcorn...this > thread! > > 1. This licence is interesting to me because it mimics the GPL but it is > intended to guide the actions of AI agents not humans i.e. no humans > actually look at anyone's code and decide whether to copy it for training > purposes---the agents they set loose to scrape github look at the licenses > (or don't, see theClaude LibGen settlement) and either copy it or don't > based on what the license is. This makes the proposed AI license a) > equivalent to robots.txt prohibiting all the same things in the license > and/or b) a signalling device among software developers that they despise > current AI BS. I don't think anyone trusts that their robots.txt files > are being honored, so a license that backs it up could have legal > consequences, if it can be heard above the noise of the 500 other lawsuits > and settlement agreements currently underway. The only other solution I > can dimly imagine would be to invent some sort of AI agent that would try > to systematically block other AI agents from copying, accessing or > otherwise "looking at" one's copyrighted code, in which case the whole idea > collapses under its own absurdity. But the signalling function might be > the more important one---a license is an easy cut and paste way for > developers to signal how they feel about AI. Never underestimate the power > of signalling. > > 2. Radhika (and anyone else interested): What you want is Michael > Cooperson's translation of Al-hariri's Impostures > https://nyupress.org/9781479800841/impostures/ > It is among the most astounding feats of translation I have ever seen. > It is also, in an interesting way, a tool for thinking about what LLMs > are. Al Hariri's original text used fiction and fabrication to teach > people to read (the Koran) carefully and not always literally--- his > audience wanted salvation, but today's audiences stupefied before a dull > chatbot, want much more. Take a look at it and hopefully you will start > to see what I mean. > > ck > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 8:40 AM Charles Haynes via Silklist < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 at 22:33, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Nov 1, 2025 at 7:24:18 AM, Charles Haynes via Silklist < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is fascinating to me. It's clear that the intent is to treat AI as >>>> adversarial and to try to hinder it. What's not as clear to me is why. >>>> >>> >>> Because there is a massive backlash against GenAI among quite a wide >>> range of people. A few reasons: >>> >>> >>> - ... >>> >>> Now, I am perfectly aware that there are counter-arguments for >>> everything in that list, and I am not an enemy of the technology as such, >>> but I am among those counseling caution, both financial and technical, in >>> leaping aboard the train. And a lot of the people in the ranks of >>> promoters are people who were promoting NFTs just a few years ago and I >>> want nothing to do with them. >>> >>> I don’t think the license that started the discussion is terribly >>> practical. But the sentiment it expresses is widely-held and not entirely >>> unfounded. >>> >> >> Certainly I agree there's a lot of anti-AI sentiment, in which case the >> rationale would be "AI is bad, mmmkay?" As for those other points, they're >> certainly valid but the license isn't what I'd call "fit for purpose." It >> doesn't address any of those points. >> >> I mean it's fine if that license is simply a reaction to AI, but I was >> wondering if there was anything else to it or if it was simply copying the >> form of the GPL without a coherent rationale. >> >> — Charles >> >> -- >> Silklist mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman.panix.com/listinfo.cgi/silklist >> > -- > Silklist mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.panix.com/listinfo.cgi/silklist >
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