I did experience reactions like that from time to time when I would try
one remedy or another for my undiagnoable condition. I did not know
what a herks was, just thought the reaction was a bad thing, and I
would stop taking the remedy that caused it. After a number of years
during which things went slowly downhill I eventually was diagnosed by
an allergist with allergic fungal sinusitis, and was told to go online
and find some support groups. That is where I learned what herks was,
and that if I wanted to get well, I would have to gut it out with the
diflucan. It seems to be a biological mechanism of the fungal organism
when stressed, it can release significantly more toxins than otherwise.
That is only significant if you are growing a variety that can emit
toxins, and then it has the correct conditions to do so.
There are several species of fungi that can be toxic, but only under
certain conditions, and this includes the infamous stachybotris.
According to Dr Shoemaker's work with toxin mediated illnesses, there
seems to be a switch that gets flipped in some people that instead of
getting rid of the toxins, the body appears to recirculate them
instead. Thus the adsorbent resin (cholestyramine, rx) or charcoal to
help bind them before they get recirculated. Eventually, when the toxin
load is reduced sufficiently, the switch can be flipped back to normal,
for some. He does certain genetic tests to see which people are likely
to respond to which therapy. If I recall, there are a few things he
knows of that do set this off in some people: Lyme, Estuarine Syndrome
(red tide disease, a toxic algae), and toxic mold exposure.
The funny thing to me is, that I took the diflucan for 18 months before
I started the CS, and the reaction I am having is slightly different
than I had when I first started with the antifungal. First thing is I
get *really* thirsty. If I don't lay off a little, my joints start to
hurt. That did not happen with the diflucan, and I have not heard of it
with this either. So, there is a different bug in a different place
that it is going after, I am guessing. Seems like it was/is everywhere.
It is possible you do not have the dreaded genotype for toxin mediated
illness as defined by Shoemaker, etal. Only a small percentage of
people end up impaired like that. I apparently was also spared the
worst case scenario of some of his patients, as I am improving on my
own, without using any binders like charcoal, cholestyramine or clays.
So, my body apparently is able to excrete toxins, just maybe slower
than most. I think those candida type protocols would be a good idea,
however, since I have tried the charcoal on occasion, and found it
helpful.
Kathryn
On Jul 20, 2007, at 7:51 PM, sol wrote:
I know beyond doubt I had (or still have) stubborn systemic pathogens,
EBV, candida, deep sinus infection, and maybe others I haven't even
idnentified yet. But I've NEVER had a herx reaction, not even once, so
far as I can tell, I just don't suffer that reaction. But that doesn't
mean I don't have systemic infections. Something else must determine
why some people suffer herx and some don't. Whatever the reason, I'm
glad I do not, because it means I'm free to vary my CS intake as
wildly as seems necessary to me on any given day.
The only thing I can personally identify as a possible reason I don't
suffer herxes, is that I never expected to have one, didn't know I
'should' have them. That is why I think there is probably some reverse
placebo going on.
It would be interesting to know if many people who do suffer herx
reactions to CS expected to have that reaction, and were not only
expecting it but focussed on watching for it. And it would be
interesting to know of any others besides myself who have never had a
herx; if those folks had no expection of having a herx.
Just for my curiosity, did you know before you started CS what a herx
was, and were you expecting to have one in any way?
sol
Clayton Family wrote:
Well, I can not take large amounts- I get herks when I do that, as I
have been slowly increasing for the last several months, I do get the
detox reaction on occassion. When I started, it was only one
dropperful, 1/5 tsp, held under the tongue for awhile.
I am considering upping my dose by quite a bit, but will need to
figure out a detox protocol to use during it so I don't get too stove
up during the detox. I am hesitant to do this, as I am enjoying the
relatively healty feeling I have taking this, but I am still not at
a sufficient dose to prevent certain symptoms that come on from time
to time.
I am thinking I may have some kind of systemic cellular infection
(intersticial cystitis?) that is causing the strong reactions to the
small amounts. Since the CS goes into the bloodstream, and kills
nearly all pathogens, that is a scenario that makes sense to me. I
found a reference online by a dr that uses cs to treat asthma, that
stated they need to start with extremely small amounts or risk
exacerbations.
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