On Sep 6, 2007, at 5:02 PM, CWFugitt wrote:
Interesting List
Physics... that's science in theory, sometimes in practice
Chemistry...that is science in both ways
Geology....yes, on both counts
Engineering, a resounding YES, on both counts and particularly
because it is so very pratical.
Biology... now there you have WAY too many variables to control, so
it can hardly be called a true science
Medicine.... no way, it is half lies (even learned drs say only half
of what they teach is true,
Not sure who made the list. I think it was John.
no, it was me....
What would you call Geometry ?
Many people hate the stuff, I wonder why ?
I loved it, and even took an elective, "Solid Geometry".
Had to give up my lunch hour on the days I had that subject.
I would call mathematics the language of science- it can be eloquent
and elegant, as I recall.
Wikipedia calls it a branch of science, but they are very inclusive.
I am not saying it is a Science. It does promote thinking, reasoning,
and logic, more so than some of the others.
It is an essential part of being able to think critically, it seems to
me. Many people seem to lack that training.
Ummm.. do you have any idea how many times what 'we' *knew* to be
true in mathematics, or geology, or chemistry, etc, turned out to be
*not* true?
My idea on the phrase, "Computer Science". Almost like
Federal Reserve, Two Words, Two Lies, not to mention the Fairness
Doctrine. Not very fair for sure.
Engineering, a resounding YES, on both counts and particularly because
it is so very practical.
I would think they are all Practical. But I have reservations on
Engineering due to interesting experiences. ALL Facts, no theories in
my statements.
I can give you some comical facts on Engineers.
People ask me if I am an Engineer. My answer.........
NO, but I have spent my whole life correcting their mistakes. That
should count for something.
Yes, that is funny. I may be biased, as my dad helped build the apollo
spaceship and was an industrial engineer. He was not well liked by the
engineers that worked under him, but his components never failed or
cost a life. They built in triple redundancy for that. He is one of
those mad scientist type of guys- always inventing something, or
putting a new gadget on the car, or getting mom a new labor saving
device that she didn't really want. He fixed everything at home- there
was nothing he couldn't fix- he still can, but he hires some stuff out
now.
One wrote this statement. ( Not the exact words, but the exact
meaning )
" If this component shall fail or that component shall fail or any
component shall fail, the system shall still work?." I said, Mr.
Lane, that sounds good but no ones system works like that. He said,
OK, I will strike that out.
This same guy made me epoxy plug in relays into the sockets because
the system would not work with the relays unplugged.
Evaluate your car with the carburetor removed.
The classic I always loved, and many use this.
"No matter how I said do it, You do it right, comply with all
applicable codes, and everything must work properly".
Logical of course, putting something like that is writing make one
wonder.
Yes, wonder if they are just covering themselves in case of failure of
the system...
Engineers have gaps in their knowledge. Often they request that me or
my company travel to large colleges, make large surveys, and write
full and complete specifications, which they publish and it appears
they did it. No credits to the ones who did the work.
In many cases, I have designed and built systems they could not if
their life depended on it.
That is too bad. I have heard of such things going on in some
University research programs, usurping the credit too. I guess there is
corruption all over.
Once a few engineers traveled from a large college to review some work
I had done. I talked to them a while and asked them, "Who is going
to help you design this system". They honestly answered, "We don't
know".
Generally they are relatively competent, if they don't step across the
fence.
>> Engineering, a resounding YES, on both counts and
>> particularly because it is so very practical.
How can anything be practical that does not work or is incomplete?
Wayne
That sure does not sound like the men like my dad and his colleagues.
I have heard that many fields have gone downhill like that- NASA sure
has had problems, and now the computer field is losing those who made
up the whole thing- the younger generation does not know how to build
computers anymore from scratch. Or write the software from the ground
up to do anything you can think of.
Kathryn
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