Heya Mike:)
It's good to hear from you:)
Errr, what's wrong with regular old fashioned pint
size, and quart size, glass canning jars? They're
cheap too.
Annie
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and
not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)
M. G. Devour wrote:
John writes:
Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle. If used
for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
possible. Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet
away fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.
Bob Berger, sadly now deceased, was one of our long-time contributors.
One of those contributions was his study of storage materials and
methods. He concluded that one of the most cost-effective yet effective
options was the PETE (recycling code 1) clear, hard plastic bottles
used to deliver soda pop.
Additionally, he and others here have, as a test, stored properly made
CS (EIS) in clear bottles exposed to bright light and even direct
sunlight, and seen no measurable degradation of the product over long
periods of time.
Let me address several obvious concerns by describing my own
experience:
I have a 6-pack of bottles I bought probably 8 years ago now that I
store most of my CS in. They originally contained spring water. I chose
that option because people who tried to use soda pop bottles frequenly
complained that it took a long time to completely get rid of the
residual odor and flavoring from the beverage that would then taint
their CS. You can just pour out the bottled water and rinse with
distilled, and there will be no odor or flavor problems.
Now, there are the remaining concerns of plasticisers leaching into the
stored CS and the plastic surface disrupting the silver content.
First off, PETE-1, as found in these beverage bottles, is about as good
a plastic as you're going to find for this application. Perfect? NO!
But it's one of the least contaminating formulations available at
reasonable cost.
Now, John, someone like you, who has achieved a very high standard of
cleanliness in their environment, may certainly choose not to use them,
on principle if nothing else. That's fine. However, if you're still
coping with far more gross sources of environmental toxins, as I am, it
is nowhere near as urgent.
But there's more...
The first few times you put some silver in these bottles, some of it
undoubtedly plates out on the inside. After a while, however, the
surface seems to stabilize. These bottles have been in use, as I said,
for years, and I have never made any effort to clean them out. I can
say without doubt that the discoloration caused by the plated out
silver does not change over time at this point, and that the product
that comes out of them is the same as what went in days, weeks, and
sometimes months before -- in terms of measured conductivity, taste,
tyndall effect, and effectiveness.
That's not bulletproof evidence, but it's good enough for me.
I suspect that the stabilization of the surface also applies to
plasticiser leaching, but I cannot address that in any meaningful way
for the simple reason that there has been no noticeable smell or taste
from this particular plastic at any time.
Finally, on the matter of storage conditions: My CS sits on the desk in
my office, exposed to artificial lighting and diffuse daylight. No
noticeable problems result, in my experience.
Again, I won't stand in anybody's way that wants to be more cautious.
In your case, John, keep using glass, since you've managed to get your
environment sorted out so very well any such compromise would be silly
on your part. Please realize, though, that judicious use of the right
plastic can be *enough* better than the worst case that it is a
practical option, depending on individual circumstances. If that makes
it easier for somebody to get started and keep making CS, then it's a
reasonable trade.
I think it's a question of not letting the perfect be an obstacle to
the good.
Thanks for your input, sir. You're experiences and protocols are an
inspiration and there's a lot we can learn from you.
Peace,
Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
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