----- Original Message -----
From: James Osbourne, Holmes <a...@trail.com>
Hey James,
You are the second person to call me Ian this week. What happened
did someone change my name ( the source of my power < wilt >)
when I wasn't looking?
> Thanks for the clarification Ian. You're the last clause of
your
> statement:, "The manner of
> creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight
> forward, if not fully understood." , certainly applies to me.
>
> My comments to excerpts from your last post:
>
> Ian:
> "The manner of
> creating ions by electrolysis is well researched and straight
> forward, if not fully understood.
> One would need to add protons to create a positive charge,
which
> would create a different element? Hydrogen ions (protons) have
a
> positive charge and are unlikely to combine with silver (there
> are no silver hydrides). They are more likely to be reduced at
> the cathode as hydrogen gas."
>
> JOH: I am suggesting not that the proton enters the nucleus
of a silver
> atom to create a new element, but that it may be somehow
associated---is
> that vague enough?---with the metallic Ag cluster. Some of the
hydrogen
> bubbles off at the electrode; some stays in solution as ionized
water,
> balancing the pair of oxygen atoms. Isn't pH the log of the
number of free
> protons in the solution? If the electrolysis current took an
extra
> electron rather than donating on it would leave a proton.
Could some of
> them be contributing to the plus charge on/around(?) the silver
cluster?
Yes pH is the negative log of free H+ ions. At pH 7 there are an
equal number of H+ ions and OH- ions. When a potential is applied
in the water, the H+ ions head straight for the Negative
electrode where they are supplied with an electron, combine and
head for the surface as Hydrogen gas. There are no free oxygen
ions in water. Water molecules are not disassociated easily.
There are no free electrons in the water (electrons can't swim,
as one text put it).
So there is not much that can happen to the silver other than to
lose electrons at the anode and regain them at the cathode, and
exist as silver ions in between.
> Ian:
> "Silver Colloid particles are agrigates of either single silver
> ions (simple ions) creating complex ions, or simple ions and
> metallic atoms which will have a charge lower than the former.
> Monoatomic ions are reactive because of their size, multiatomic
> ions are able to accept more electrons per particle."
>
>
> JOH: What is the difference between a "complex silver ion" and
a metallic
> silver colloid particle? Or, what is the difference between
multiatomic
> ions---and a colloid? If multiatomic ions are able to accept
more
> electrons than a bit of metal, doesn't that make them more
reactive? Is
> there a difference between a multiatomic silver ion and a
charged metallic
> silver particle? Are we making some of both?
A complex ion, or multiatomic ion, is an agrigate of monatomic
ions. The charge on this particle is the same as the charge on
one atom times the number of atoms it is composed of. A metallic
silver colloid particle has no charge.
A colloid may be composed of multiatomic ions, or metallic
particles, or a combination of both. The term colloid describes
the state that exists between between particles and solvant. This
mostly means the suspended particles must be of a particular
size, where they will not easily settle out or cannot be thought
to be dissolved.
When I mention multiatomic ions I mean a particle composed of
monatomic ions. A charged metallic particle suggests a particle
that has lost one or more electrons but has more first valency
electrons that it could loose. In other words a particle which
consists of ions and atoms.
If we allow the sludge or treeing accumulated on the cathode to
enter the solution, we are making both.
> Most everyone agrees that a silver salt, most certainly highly
ionized, is
> more reactive that a silver colloidal particle. Is that so?
The silver is not more reactive but the compound is. Different
silver salts have different reactions. Silver can do no more than
oxidise or bond to other compounds or elements, or perhaps allow
reactions as a catalyst.
> I think the question I have when boiled down is:
>
> if a single-atom "ion" is a "colloid", then what distinguishes
it from a
> "dissolved" atom "in solution"?
Ahh the nub!
A single-atom ion is in solution. But it is difficult to achieve
this. Water OZ claim this feature, using laser ablation I
believe, the trick being to cool and arrest the agrigation of the
single atomic ions. A colloid by definition has particles 1 nm or
larger in size, which therefore must contain multi-atom
particles.
>
> Thanks for your continuing instruction. Please be patient with
my
> questions, they arise more from intuition than technical
knowledge.
>
> And yes, I remain confused.
I am happy to be of help James, and I rely on my intuition to
guide me to the answers I seek, seems to work for me.
Be it noted that I am not infalible...and answers are correct to
the best of my knowledge.
> James Osbourne, Holmes
Ivan.
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From ?...@??? Sat Feb 13 14:47:40 2010
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:52:54 +0100
From: Terry Dickinson <terry...@globalnet.co.uk>
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: CS>Off Topic--Silvered Ham
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And from the UK : G3AIG (ex) - been QRT for many years now....
73s an 88s to whomsoever it applies!
Terry
Steve Ratzlaff wrote:
>
> Appears the hams are coming out of the woodwork! I count 5 on the list
> so far:
> Vikki Welch WV9K
> Alex Torres XE2ATC
> Mike Devour KF8XV
> Jeff Madore K1LE
> Steve Ratzlaff AA7U
>
> 73 ya'll
> Steve
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From ?...@??? Sat Feb 13 14:47:40 2010
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:21:49 -0500
From: "Gina" <g...@cyberstation.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: CS>HELP!!! To Vikki...
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Ahhhhhh.....I hear ya....I have plain text now......Let ME know if I'm still
causing a problem for anyone.......Thanks Kindly.
Gina
>Hello Gina,
>
>> Let me get this straight......because I was unaware that I could not use
>> HTML.....(didn't even know what it was 'til now)...I am on your "kill
list"?
>
>Yes. Or you were as I reject HTML and other oddly formatted messages
>from people I do not know as a general course of action.
>
>> or have I done something else equally offensive?
>
>No, nothing else world shattering ;-).
>
>This isn't personal and I do it for several reasons. One is that a lot
>of the spam I get uses HTML to force my browser to their site before I
>can do anything about it (grrrrrrr), another is that I am an official
>net.old.fart and plain text is supposed to be used for news and mail
>since everyone can't see it and some even have to pay to bring in a
>simple message that is, say, 500 characters in text format and goddess
>only knows how much bigger in HTML or whatever.
>
>Someday bandwidth will get cheaper (I hope) and HTML/RTF or something
>will take over plain text when everyone can see it / use it / not have
>it cost them an arm and a leg. Personally I think that is a good idea,
>but the time isn't here yet.
>
>I've quite preaching netiquette as it just keeps people who adhere to
>non-standards for whatever reason they do upset and contributes nothing
>to the signal-to-noise ratio. Simpler to make my choices like everyone
>else :).
>
>Take care, Vikki.
>--
>Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org,
>vikki.oz.net
>#include <coffee.h>
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From ?...@??? Sat Feb 13 14:47:40 2010
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Wayne <tw...@yahoo.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Economical MSM in WA
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Carmen,
WA is Washington State, west coast USA
--- CARMEN SPENCE <starwo...@primus.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Terry,
>
> Is that in Australia....... you mentioned W.A. there
> is a western Australia
> here......Carmen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Wayne <tw...@yahoo.com>
> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:13 AM
> Subject: CS>Economical MSM
>
>
> > Dear CSers,
> > I have a friend in WA who owns 2 health food
> stores. He sells MSM in
> > capsules and in bulk. One pound of MSM is $15.95.
> His name is John
> > Pruden, his number is 1-800-653-5551. Enjoy.
> > Terry Wayne
> >
> > --- Victoria Welch <vi...@oz.net> wrote:
> > > Hello Charles,
> > >
> > > In the next few days I plan on a trip to see my
> > > sister up on her farm
> > > and in the process I plan on stopping in on the
> farm
> > > supply store and
> > > quite possibly get some MSM. A few questions:
> > >
> > > First off I hope this doesn't just come in 25+
> pound
> > > bags :-) or cost
> > > $300/mG :).
> > >
> > > In my usual monomaniacial persuit of trying to
> > > finish one thing at a
> > > time :-) I have let the MSM stuff here on the
> list
> > > go by with intention
> > > of looking into it later. Now the opportunity
> > > arises to possibly pick
> > > some up. I am mostly interested in it (for the
> > > moment) as a "wetting
> > > agent" for CS as a topical applicant. Every
> time I
> > > spray CS on
> > > something, for the most part it beads up and
> runs
> > > off.
> > >
> > > What should I specifically look for on a label
> of
> > > this stuff? I've
> > > gotten the impression that they should know what
> I
> > > want when I mention
> > > "MSM" and point me to the right place, but
> knowing
> > > more than the TLA
> > > (three letter acronym :) for it might be good
> :).
> > >
> > > Please tell me what you can. Thanks much in
> > > advance.
> > >
> > > Take care, Vikki.
> > > --
> > > Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin
> > > SeaStar.org,
> > > vikki.oz.net
> > > #include <coffee.h>
> > > "Walking on water and developing software to
> > > specification are
> > > easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V.
> Berard.
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