Greetings,
...while there are no published definative studes done, medical doctors
have done their own comparitive analysis with their patients, and I've never
found a single medical doctor that hasn't drawn the same conclusion. They
may be out there, but I haven't found one.
Once a silver ion enters the bloodstream, it quickly converts to the most
likely compound: Silver chloride. Silver chloride still has antimicrobial
properties, probably more than inert silver particles. For direct killing
power, I'd rather have silver chloride active in the body than silver
particles.
However, minutely sized silver particles have colloidal properties not
shared by silver ions. As was demonstrated by a scientist from Standford
University (Professor William A. Tiller), the presence of bioactive silver
is not required in order for silver to have pathogen killing power: Only
its electromagnetic signature. Silver particles, even if coated in oxides,
provided that they are colloidal-sized, have a zeta potential that... like
all colloids... act as catalysts by their mere presence.
The most effective way to deliver EIS, for the home user, into the body is
via ultrasonic nebulization.
The most effective way to deliver it is to do an IV drip, followed by an IV
drip of H2O2. Silver complexes blow apart in the presence of H2O2, just
like silver particles do.
The toxicology of EIS (be it colloidal silver sized particles or silver ions
in distilled water) is extremely low; so while some forms of silver might be
more powerful directly (such as highly concentrated silver citrate), I only
use EIS with a pH very close to neutral. Some manufacturing methods create
acidic CS; at best, one is simply delivering small amounts of silver nitrate
into the body.
There are methods that individuals can use to definatively determine the
effectiveness of a given silver product, but I don't recommend them for the
average person because the side effects can be unpredictable.
In my experience (speaking only for myself), Argentyn 23 is at least four
times more effective than the silver I make using my modified Silvergen
SG-7. However, for oral use, as Marshall has been playing with, adding
H2O2 to the mix may make up for the variable. The problem is, one cannot
then make a determination if the increase in effectiveness is due to the
activated oxygen or smaller particles.
The cost difference is too high to justify the expense of purchasing a
retail product, no matter how good it may be... especially since we go
through five gallon batches of EIS quite often.
I do find it sad that so much knowledge and research was lost to the average
person regarding the different types of silver products, and quality
guidelines.
...but I will say that there are many little quiet clinics around the
country (like the one I sometimes go to for non-related therapy) where
you'll find a room full of people getting Argentyn 23 IV drips, and the
medical doctors administering them would pour products like (brand name
removed) down the toilet rather than give them to their patients, because
these doctors can do things like live blood cell analysis before and after
treatment.
I personally am a middle of the road person, and see plenty of value in both
colloids and ions.
The problem people face when dealing with pathogenic infections is
understanding the biological origin of the infection, and understanding the
biological reason the body cannot beat the infection. 7/10 the reason
people cannot beat their infections is poor bowel health.
~Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alchemysa" <da...@alchemysa.com.au>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 17:32
Subject: Re: Re: CS>spectrographs of CS
Theres no solid evidence that any particular form of silver is any more
'effective' than any other form. Numerous lab test seem to indicate that
all forms of silver are effective. Pure silver particles, silver ions,
and all sorts of silver compounds, all seem to kill germs.
There are indications that some forms of silver may kill pathogens
'quicker' (in vitro) but that doesn't mean that in the longer term they
are any more effective. For example a pure silver particle (eg
mesosilver) may (or may not) work more 'slowly', but it may retain its
effectiveness for much longer, thereby killing more pathogens overall, so
the benefit ultimately may be greater than an ion that (may) work only
momentarily.
Anyway all the results we have are 'in vitro' (i.e. lab tests). We have
no real idea of whats really happening in the human body. And is there
any such thing as a silver 'ion' in the blood stream anyway? Don't silver
ions immeadiately become a 'silver compound particle' the instant they
are ingested?
The whole argument about smaller particles being more effective than
larger particles is somewhat nebulous too. I can't say I've ever seen a
lab test that proves it, and theres certainly no clinical trials that
support it.
The bottom line is that we need to be very careful about making
definitive statements based on lab tests. Pure CS in a petri dish is a
very different proposition to a mouthful of CS swallowed by an adult
human.
David
(Australia)
Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [ David AuBuchon
<aubuchon.david@gmai ]
Hi Marshall,
Smaller particles being the most effective among particles...but all in
all you would still say the ionic portion of EIS is responsible for most
of the results, right?
~David
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