I will also voice my opinion on face book. I don't have an account there
anymore and no wish to open a new one. Interested in keeping the list going
and will help pay to keep it going. Val

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> wrote:

> Hi Itguy:
>
> I agree that remaining on a private list server is the best option; here
> at Eskimo or elsewhere.  I wish Mike would turn over control, that would
> make everything simple.
>
> I run several facebook groups, and as a forum, it is really terrible.
> It's very difficult to save/find threads.  It's really set up as a social
> platform, not an informational platform.
>
> I don't like any of the "groups" websites out there for list servers,
> especially since it is so easy to set up a secure and private list server
> on an independent domain.  Their privacy policy is only valid up to the
> next buyout.  Most of these companies exist solely with an exit strategy in
> mind.
>
> Mailman is open source and free to use, and is almost identical to
> Eskimo's system.  It's very efficient and relatively easy to customize and
> set up.
>
> ~Jason
>
>
>
> On 6/5/2017 3:02 PM, Itguy wrote:
>
>> I agree - it's really not going to work with Mike not coming back. One
>> thing I disagreed with Mike about in the past was his publishing of the
>> list contents in an open archive. I do not feel that is conducive for
>> privacy, security and anonymity for anyone. In this day and age we really
>> need to be aware of such things. Especially with a topic where people have
>> been suppressed/harassed/stalked about such as alternative remedies and
>> such..
>>
>> Speaking as a Senior IT Security Engineer -
>>
>> I'd be inclined to agree with Facebook with a major caveat...  There
>> could be some concerns with privacy and security on Facebook as it's widely
>> known facebook aggregates telemetry with other sources including CIA funded
>> WPP and others. Facebook will offer absolutely no privacy/security and
>> anonymity for anyone.. So if you go there, remember that you'll likely lose
>> people and folks will be less inclined to share their thoughts in an open
>> fashion.
>>
>> Yahoo is definately out of the question as Yahoo themselves built a
>> backdoor into their systems for the US Intel cartels and has  a history of
>> 'repeated' hacks. Yahoo should never be considered for anything, even email.
>>
>> Groups.io one is probably the best option for now. But I am convinced
>> Mike isn't ready to give up control even if he isn't interested in
>> moderating or even reading the list.
>>
>> The most simple solution would be for someone to take over this list.. I
>> will assist financially to 'pay the bills' if someone can convince Mike to
>> turn over the reigns.. I think he would trust myself or Marshall to take
>> over ownership because he knows both of us personally. If I took it over I
>> would allocate moderators to assist and advise me and just pay the bills.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 02:44 PM, Steve G wrote:
>>
>>> In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just migrate
>>> to a new platform as best we can.  Yahoo groups are still out there and
>>> seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but that forces
>>> everyone to  have a Facebook account.
>>>
>>> The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just
>>> doesn't work.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> **From:** Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org>
>>> **To:** silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> **Sent:** Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM
>>> **Subject:** CS>re: Mike is Well
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it.
>>>
>>> ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts
>>> off one day.
>>>
>>> I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server
>>> software packages that can be run from any domain.
>>>
>>> ~Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote:
>>>
>>> > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance.
>>> >
>>> > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After
>>> > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him
>>> > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but
>>> > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he
>>> > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew.
>>> > He's too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount
>>> > to multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. Then once
>>> > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a couple of
>>> > times a week...
>>> >
>>> > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his home and
>>> > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still filled
>>> > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but didn't
>>> > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him other than
>>> > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I suspect Mike
>>> > isn't even involved with CS any longer.
>>> >
>>> > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about
>>> > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move
>>> > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >    Itguy
>>> > it...@fastmail.com <mailto:it...@fastmail.com>
>>>
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