Had an ongoing discussion with sfropeem64 on the Yahoo silver club. The guy got upset when members couldn't give him what he wanted, and yet failed to supply any facts to back his assertions... basically because there aren't any. I found him to be disingenuous, with a foul mouth.
I was interested to read the American Silver (part owned by a mining co.)patent. The only new work is in producing large batches, and it is this that is patented not the product. The tests of the ASAP solution against other commercially available products, as detailed on their web site is a waste of space...a total of three products with no detail of the selection process, perhaps these were the only three that performed worse than ASAP... Any way, I hope the member of his club (he does have one) looks elsewhere for good information about CS. Ivan. > -----Original Message----- > From: rainis...@aol.com [mailto:rainis...@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2001 13:50 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>CS Facts Club > > > In my search today trying to find out why I have received almost 0 emails > from any of the groups I am listed with, I came across this site... > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/colloidalsilverfacts > > At first I thought, cool, maybe I'll find some documented facts about cs. > But, this is what the list owner has to say about cs. > Just thought some of you may be interested. > > ~Hanan (Still puzzled by the lack of activity on my lists) > > > sfropeem64 > > > One researcher out of BYU is conducting animal studies to > determine if silver > colloids do anything in the body. Already The University of the > Pacific has > conducted studies that show that a specific silver colloid > solution seems to > be effective on sinus infections. Another study out of BYU found just ONE > commercially available product to be standardized and effective > on killing > some types of bacteria in petri dishes. That product was the only > one that > has a patent on it's manufacture and is standardized. This is interesting > because one of the things that was repeated to me by the colloidal silver > true believers over and over was that there can be no patents on silver > colloids. Again it was obvious that many people making and using > their own > colloidal silver that are on colloidal silver lists are ignorant > and lazy and > misinforming people; I was able to find research on it, patents, and > scientific evidence that one type of standardized, patented > colloidal silver > solution seems to work on specific problems. Why nobody else could be > bothered to get off their lazy asses and make a few phone calls > and write a > few emails and letters I do not know. Why they consistently > denied that there > were patents on making silver colloid and that any current scientific > research existed showing it worked is another bizarre mystery of the > colloidal silver cultists. They seemed to all be too busy congratulating > themselves on how smart and innovative they were, when in reality > they have > been giving out loads of bad "information" and creating a silly > little cult. > They have found their "miracle" (a word frequently used) in > silver colloid, > but their "miracle" could have just as easily been found in > potato peels by > naive and ignorant people. > > American Silver makes a "ASAP Colloidal Silver Solution" that is the only > product I am aware of that is standardized, has a patented > process, and has > been proven by researchers to do anything at all. > > You can try making colloidal silver on your own with distilled > water, silver > electrodes, and nine volt batteries; or you can by a proven standardized > solution that is patented. I've tried several different products > as well as > made my own and have yet to find that colloidal silver does > anything for me, > my pets, or plants. Still I am hoping we'll know more as the BYU animal > studies and other research continues. I think the issue is one of > standardization and method of application as well as knowing and > proving what > colloidal silver works and does not work on. This can and will > eventually be > worked out in the lab and in studies that are happening now. > > People claim colloidal silver kills 650 different types of bacteria and > pathogens; yet they also claim it does not kill off the natural > beneficial > flora that live in the gut and are needed to be there for optimal health. > Well, newsflash, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim > that colloidal > silver selectively kills only the "bad" bacteria and leaves the > beneficial > bacteria alone. Antibiotics don't do this, and colloidal silver > does not do > it in the lab in petri dishes. So there's an obvious inconsistency in the > claims made by the people that insist that colloidal silver is a > "cure" for > everything from asthma to athlete's foot to body odor to plaque, > and claims > that it is "a natural antibiotic" that somehow only kills off the "bad" > bacteria. So the truth about colloidal silver is going to be gradual and > probably obscured and maligned to a great extent by these foolish > and idiotic > miracle seekers that are lying about aspects of colloidal silver and are > interested not in any kind of truth, but in something to cling to as a > "miracle". It's all pretty sickening and dreadful. > > I am grateful that there are honest researchers who are working > hard to give > us honest answers, and that they are ready and willing to talk to > people, if > people would just bother to contact them. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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