Marshall, you may want to check this out, a chance to get in on cheap  Energy;;
Tel Tofflemire
from Phoenix,AZ http://www.free-electric.net/index.html

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> All those methods are not what is needed. What is needed is for the 
> governement
> to quit suppressing the real energy devices, the ones that don't require any
> fuel.  That is what is needed.  Ie:
>
> http://www.rense.com/general9/unveil.htm
>
> Marshall
>
> Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> >   The basic concept for making alchohol from dead bio materials [yard waste
> > etc] is to seal the materials in an airtight steel container and heat till
> > all volitiles are gassified, condense the gasses into liquid.
> >  One byproduct is charcoal which can be further used to supply heat. A
> > solar oven arrangement might suppply additional heat.
> >  I'm not sure of the exact specs on the process but that's the basics.
> >  The result is "wood alchohol" aka methonal.
> >  A more effecient method for production for automobiles may be to install a
> > wood gas generator as was available on Mercedes cars during ww2 and is in
> > common use in the Philippines today on taxis and motor boats. [not very
> > convenient, but it works]
> >  Mother earth news built and ran a Chevey LUV on wood gas. [got about 1
> > mile per pound of wood if I recall]
> >
> > Some auto makers are offering "multifuel" engines that will burn whatever
> > you put into them if it's at least in the same class of fuel [can't run
> > peanut oil in a gasoline engine but can in a diesel...can run alchohol or
> > alchohol/gasoline mix in a gas engine regardless of ratios]
> >  Ken
> >
> > At 09:59 AM 5/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hello, All--
> > >
> > >I've tried unsuccessfully to find Robert Warren of the California Alcohol
> > >Fuel Producers' Assn., who had a super high efficiency distiller
> > >guaranteed to make 5 gal. of 190 proof "on your first run".  It employed
> > >special baffles housed in 4" copper tubing configured in a narrow,
> > >inverted "U" shape about 5' tall, connecting two reservoirs that sat on
> > >the floor.  The unit was advertised a defunct solar catalog several years
> > >ago.
> > >
> > >I'll be getting details soon on running such fuels in a 1:4 mixture with
> > >WATER...so please let me know of any info about making alcohol from free
> > >material such as dead wood or sawdust (I've heard that only malic acid &
> > >sugar are required).
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Russ Rosser
> > >Dietary Minerals:
> > >Sea Salt, Seaweed Juice
> > >(256) 546-5945, 547-7850
> > >cel: (256) 390-1439
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sat, 05 May 2001 08:16:40 -0700 Ode Coyote <coy...@alltel.net> writes:
> > >>
> > >>   Methonol can be produced using any biomass resulting in a net
> > >> neutral
> > >> carbon dioxide production/consumption loop.
> > >
> > >
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