They can, Dottie. I use two Silver Maple Leaf Coins and I limit the current to 400 microamps. I switch the polarity back and forth whenever I can remember. It takes a week using this method but I end up with a gallon of very good CS.
Regards, Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: Dottie Glenn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op I'm with you, Arnold. So in light of what you mentioned, why can't the silver wire be attached to the wires that come from the power supply, long enough to be well out of harms way? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Arnold Beland" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:22:45 -0500 Dottie, Would the advice apply if the alligator clips did not enter the water? Now come the "What Ifs" What if condensation forms on the alligator clips? What if the water in the glass is sloshed around? What if the person involved is inattentive and puts an excess of water in the vessel.? When designing something that people will use I continually ask myself the question "what is the dumbest thing a user could do? And yes, I count myself among the users. Best Regards, Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: Dottie Glenn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op Arnold - The alligator clips would not actually be in the water, only the silver. However, as I'm beginning to understand, this may not be a good way to go anyway. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Arnold Beland" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 07:01:07 -0500 Dottie, This is not a good idea. Nothing but pure silver should enter the vessel. Alligator clips contain a number of metals and are sometimes coated with cadmium. Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: Dottie Glenn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op Hi Bob - Thanks for the response. My thought using the silver coins is, they are .9999 pure silver, weight 1 oz., and are 1-1/2" diameter and they will last a very long time. I'm assuming they will set down in the water all but about 1/4". They were actually given to me, so cost is nothing. As I understand it, they are worth $7 each currently - not such a bad price for long use I'd say. I was planning on attaching them with aligator clips to the sides of the glass container. The clips will be attached to wires that run to a 6 volt dc transformer. I guess I'll have to visit Radio Shack to explore your stirring suggestions. I'll let you know just what I can come up with. After all is said and done, I'd probably be better off just buying a pre-made one! However, this experimentation is good for me! Sorry to confound you with the coins, but I think it would be hard to beat their purity and longevity. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert L. Berger" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:15:01 -0500 Dottie; I don't know if I can help you, but here are my thoughts. Oh for goodness sakes, why are you using coins. I have no experience with coins. By going off on a tangent from what is generally being done you have raised more questions than shown on you post. It is so much easier to work with wire. Sorry, but if you want to work with coins you are on your own as I have never mounted coins to stand up to stirring. You probably paid more for the coins that you would have for the wire. I don't know their size, I don't know how you support them. This CS process is apredictable chemical reaction, when all of the paramters are under control. It is a mathamatical problem. The wet area of the anode determines the ideal amount of current for which the regulator should be set. To make a constant current module will cost all of about $2.00. It consists of a LM317T semiconductor and a resistor the value of which is determined by the amount current that one wants to regulate. This depends on the surface area of sliver in the water. > I'd like to make a quart at a time. Wal-Mart has a 50 oz plastic > container in the area were they had dinner plates etc, for about $5.00. It has > a plastic lid that is excelent for mouning things. It has some metal hardware > that I took off and threw away. The stir motor is a 1 1/2 volt DC motor from Radio Shack $1.00. with the plastic insulation for a #14 copper house wire. One needs about 3 ohms of resistance in one motor lead to slow it down. Bubbling DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!! Glue the motor on top of the plastic container lid, attach the coins some way to the lid. > Your spacing of 3" is ok, but you need some way of measuring cell current, > such as a digital multimeter. Only after making a few brews were you have > logged thae data can you go by time, and then only is the conductuivuty of the > Distilled water is reasonably the same. I don't what to be considered as a "party pooper" but the grade of CS that you make will dependon the effort that you take to do it correctly. What are you using for a power supply? Please do not hesitate to ask more questions. I will be glad to answer the best that I can. When you go through the archives read my posts on making cs. "Ole Bob" > > > > Also, about the constant stirring. Did I undertand you to say that the > stirring is more beneficial than the fish tank bubbler? If yes, just where > or how can I obtain this sort of a device? > > I liked Dr. Jons instructions because they were fairly clear to a layperson > like myself. But still, these nagging issues! > > I realize these questions are probably pretty elemental to you, but I mean, > I'm starting at the bottom here and find conflicting info just everywhere! > Thanks for your help! By the way, I have been going thru the archives, but > it's pretty slow going and I have some rather urgent applications to attend, > so I really do appreciate the help. > > Dot > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Robert L. Berger" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>generic co-op > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:31:21 -0500 > > Dot; > > Basically to make good CS one needs to control the elecrode spacing, wet > length of the electrodes, ans use constant stirring. > > There are generally two system types used; constant voltage and constant > current. Each requires it's own set of cut-off paramters. > > CONSTANT VOLTAGE; > Uses batteries or a power supply that has a fixed voltage, and the > current in the brew cell is monitored with a digital multimeter in one > lead of the cell. For a small amount 8 to 16 ounces with two #14 silver > wires as electrode the shut-off current is between 3 to 4 ma. for larger > amounts of DW then then current must be adjusted for the increased > electrode surface area. > > CONSTANT CURRENT; > This uses a fixed power supply of 27 to 40 volts (can be higher) but in > one cell lead is placed a semiconductor unit that is wire as a constant > current source. This reduces the cell voltage by limiting the cell > current until the current reachs the set limiting value. At that point > the current stays constant. > > In both systems constant stirring has been proven and has now been added > to all of the commercial units. Bubbling of air through the CS does not > supply the velocity between the electrodes to stop agglomeration of the > silver particles. This can de demonstrated with the laser pointer. It > shows up in the brightness of the Tyndall beam. The brighter the beam > the larger the particles and we do notwant that. In fact the very best > CS will have no T.E. > > I hope this help answer your questions. If you have more send them. Also > visit the archives for aditional info. > > I appreciate Dr. Jon's input even if it is antiquated. It is making more > people aware of CS. Remember he is an M.D. and so wemust allow him some > leaway :-) > > "Ole Bob: > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
