Dear Group, One of the aspartame lists had folks asking for anything they could take for relief from chronic pain - so I *daringly* suggested taking MSM - I knew some would come down on me like a ton [tonne for the metric] of bricks.
I've had fantastic relief from using it and we all know that Brooks got us started on it - here's the replies I got. My response was that Dr Sandra Cabot [an Australian doctor who lectures in America & is anti aspartame] puts her name to MSM in Oz and I didn't think she would put her name to anything dubious. She is known as the Liver Doctor and promotes liver health through herbal products. Judith. Message: 1 Anyone with any kind of chemical injury needs to be aware of the fact that most chemicals and especially pesticides and the solvents they are based in use the same detox pathways as sulfur, of which MSM is a derivative. If your detox pathways are damaged from chemical exposure you will not be able to tolerate MSM and can in fact worsen your condition by taking it. Learned the hard way ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Thanks for that , I asked this question on or about August 7th this year, I never did get a "scientific" answer, but when I stopped taking MSM things began to get better. I then had problems with the methyl cellulose used in most over the counter drugs, being aware of that and the fact that my blood brain barrier was thoroughly screwed up by aspartame poisoning help a great deal. I am taking 250mg of Magnesium per day, this seems to repair things a little and I am becoming more tolerant. I will ask this question again, and I hope that the scientifically trained among you may provide an answer. Many people are using MSM 'Sulphur from Methyl sulphonyl Methane!' Could somebody, who is ultra sensitive to aspartame poisoning, be affected by ingesting MSM? Can anybody with a scientific background tell me if this is related to the methanol that makes up aspartame? I enclose 2 extracts from the www, they both state that methanol is used in the manufacture of methane. The first quote state that 'formaldehyde' is present in the raw material. To the layman, it seems as if there is a correlation there somewhere! http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/methane/methane.html "In the chemical industry, methane is a raw material for the manufacture of methanol (CH3OH), formaldehyde (CH2O), nitromethane (CH3NO2), chloroform (CH3Cl), carbon tetrachloride (CCl4), and some freons (compounds containing carbon and fluorine, and perhaps chlorine and hydrogen). The reactions of methane with chlorine and fluorine are triggered by light. When exposed to bright visible light, mixtures of methane with chlorine or fluorine react explosively. " http://www.nwhealthsolutions.com/methylsulfonylmethane.htm "Since all commercial MSM is produced from DMSO, and all commercial DMSO is produced synthetically, the origin of the DMSO is somewhat insignificant. DMSO is produced using several starting materials: (1) Kraft black liquor, a by-product of paper pulp mills; (2) methanol and hydrogen sulfide, or (3) methanol and carbon disulfide. Whichever starting materials are used, chemical reactions are required to produce DMSO. Each process has its advantages and disadvantages, but the resulting DMSO is the same. The origin of the DMSO is not important in the production of food grade MSM, provided it meets certain quality standards. There are a number of DMSO plants located throughout the world that produce an excellent quality product suitable for food grade MSM production." Message: 3 Commercial MSM is not Natural as in Raw Foods NATURAL MSM is present ONLY in RAW FOODS. When they are processed/heated....MSM is destroyed just as ENZYMES and Vitamin B6 are destroyed by heat. Lots of fresh raw vegetables and fruits can supply adequate MSM...one reason we see people who eat raw foods look so healthy and BE very healthy. I have some MSM here that I did take from my dad in case I ever need it for a SOAK of some sort..but I DO NOT PLAN to take it by mouth. My dad did take it...and I feel the artificial MSM (made in a lab) and Melatonin did nothing to help him heal or sleep better. He died in June of 1999. My dad was not taking MSM because he took Aspartame longterm. He had ONLY one bad experience with a very concentrated dose of Aspartame from mixing a whole pack of lemonade powder in a large tumber instead of in a 1/2 gallon pitcher of water. He drank that concentrated Aspartame drink...and became gravely ill at work that day. I do know that he experienced what I feel was petit mal seizures after that toxic intake...and also some "floaters" as he described with his vision. I did stop my dad from taking ANY COLOR packet of sweetener when he took coffee at McDonald's or at Waffle House...but overall...detoxing off Aspartame was NOT his reason for taking MSM. He was in a wreck many years ago...and had an injury in the sternum/rib cage area. He was often bothered by that area even years later since he was not a person to take in much in the way of calcium foods. He did take MSM more after he felt he PULLED a muscle or ligament in the area one day when he stretched to swat a bug. He felt he might heal better...and I feel he took it again after he tripped in the yard and injured himself on one side about 1 month before he died. He refused to see a doctor for that month..and we all felt he might have ruptured an aneurism. He did have the symptoms on the "back side of the heart" once the TPA was given to prevent an attack ...the type of symptoms reported in the news about the TPA causing aspirin sensitive victims to either RUPTURE vessels on the back side of the heart OR have a cerebral hemorrage often within the first 72 hrs after the TPA (Dad died within 48 hours..but it was later reported that these deadly effects from the TPA can happen up to 30 days after it is administered). We were told once he was half way into the TPA IV...that something was happening....he was having what looked like SEVERAL attacks ONLY on the Back Side of his heart. I'm not sure of all what might have happened to our dad who for the most part had a very good "bill of health" for his age each time he visited his internist. His only problems had been a couple of hernia surgeries thru the years..and cataract surgeries. Other than that....I felt the doctors were right about his good health...and the reason he never really complained. MSM AND also Melatonin (since he sometimes faced insomnia) in my opinion DID nothing for him in the couple of years he took them prior to his death. He knew I did not like MSM or his taking it. He'd often say to me that he took ONLY a HALF of a Melatoin tab, but he stopped talking about MSM since he knew I did not approve of his taking it. I keep Epsom Salts too in my home...and I know some people have used that too as an emergency way of getting some magnesium into the body, but I KNOW it IS NOT the correct FORM of magnesium for the body to use...so I keep Epsom Salts for SOAKS..and NOT to be taken by Mouth. I do the same for commercial MSM...view it as something I MIGHT use one day as a SOAK to try as a healing agent...but certainly NOT to be taken by mouth...since it IS NOT in a NATURAL form such as found in Raw Foods. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
