Well, I was bound to comment on the ionic vs elemental colloid thread eventually...
Firstly the idea that silver ions precipitate out in the elementary tract, and never make it to the blood stream, is pure speculation. This theory is most eloquently proposed by Purest Colloids who market a product of high elemental colloid percentage. However the theory, I believe, is pretty much debunked by an article which is (ironically) found on the Purest Colloids sister web site: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/AltmanStudy.PDF This study was written by Roger Altman (who used to grace this list with his not inconsiderable presence) and details the elimination vs ingestion of what would be a high ionic percentage CS. He found that pretty much what is ingested is what comes out, and that a high percentage comes out in the urine. Now these ions did not get into the urine by precipitating out and not getting into the blood stream, obviously the blood stream is exactly where they ended up. The fact that a high percentage of ingested ions emerged in the urine also suggests that little is bound in the tissues (at least in this case) which further suggests that in order to develop argyria, a large amount of silver must be consumed, and/or specific (and unusual?) circumstances are present, such as deficiencies in vitamin E and/or selenium (or perhaps overdose of selenium, as suggested by some research). What the fate of silver ions in the blood before elimination is moot, however my own observations would suggest that they are at least as effective as elemental colloids in controlling infection... so don't throw away your 9v battery generator just yet! Ivan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 9:06 a.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions > > > While it is the ionic form that can cause argyria, there is a > minimum amount of > silver necessary. According to I believe it is, the EPA > website, one would have > to drink so much 5 ppm CS 90% ion they would die from water > poisoning first. > > It helps to understand what is going on here. > > 1. Silver ions will combine with the hcl in the stomach and > mostly precipitate > out as silver chloride. Thus they never make it to the blood stream. > 2. In the body, silver ions can precipitate out onto silver > particles when a > developer such as caffine is present. When taking silver > salts, there are no > particles, but particles are formed when the salts are > exposed to light. Thus > when taking silver salts, the initial particles will always > occur in skin > exposed to light. At that point, the ions in the salts can > precipitate out onto > the particles and thus make them grow until they become bound > in the tissue > making what is basically a tatoo. > 3. Silver salts must be present in a large enough quantity so > that particles > grow rapidly enough to become lodged before being flushed > out. This requires a > fairly high concentration of silver ions in the blood. > > So we have 3 reasons why normal CS should not be a problem. > Most of the ions > combine with chlorine and precipitate out, those that do make > it to the blood > stream will bind with silver particles throughout the body, > instead of just in > the skin, the concentration of ions will be too low to cause > significant > particle size increase and lodging. > > Marshall > > Bobbye Stegen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am a novice in the world of colloidal silver. I have > attempted to read up > > on using the product, asking questions, etc. I've read the > Purest Colloids > > web site which holds the patent on the process of a higher > % of colloidal > > particulate matter. The web site is impressive but alas, > the product is > > very expensive. > > > > I have read many of your messages discussing making your > own CS and on other > > boards/lists. > > Now as I understand it, the CS you make at home has a high > percentage of > > silver ions Now if I understand it correctly, it is the > ionic silver that > > can cause the blue discoloration. > > > > At this point, I don't want to even attempt to make my own > CS as I want to > > experiment to see if CS works for me and my family as many > of you have > > attested to. > > > > My question is, if ionic silver can cause a problem no > matter how small a > > chance, why would you take a chance making your own? This is not a > > challenging question but request for information only. > > > > CS costing $61 a bottle is still much much cheaper and > better for the > > body....especially if one does not use allopathic medicines > unless it is a > > matter of life and death. > > > > I've looked at the health food stores and find 10ppm and > 30ppm on the > > shelves. Now is this ionic silver? If you were going to > buy CS, would you > > risk buying anyother on the market other than the Purest > Colloids? Have any > > of you tried Purest Colloids? > > > > Again, this is not to start a debate but just asking for > honest opinions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bobbye > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of > colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail > message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
