Heya Dean, All... There are two things I don't like about the 777 machine...
One, is that the silver strips cannot be precision aligned... not easily, and I don't see them paying any attention to that fact or recommending careful consideration. Apparently they reverse the polarity which will: 1) mask the fact the silver is not being evenly drawn from the silver electrodes 2) compensate for not having a stirring device Another thing that bothers me about the design, is having the electrodes so close to the rim of the container. This is going to change the current travel, as there will be increased conductivity along the rim of the whole container. I'm not certain if this is negative, but it IS one more needless variable in a process that should be engineered to eliminate variables. I certainly applaud the efforts of the company. It's a good machine. But if you take a look at their bacterial studies, you'll see they did 30 minute interpretations. I wonder why. It's probably just be due to lack of experience; I believe those 30 minute studies are very common for water innoculation tests. 30 minute interpretations are useless in gauging possible effectiveness in the human body, with the one exception of the intestinal tracts. to be convinced, I'd like to see how effective it is between 1 and 7 minutes. Even so, the dilutions that they used showed that the generator makes an effective colloidal silver. When dealing with the "little variables", you're never going to be able to visually tell the difference; meters won't tell the difference either. You won't be able to measure it in fallout. Likely, the only way you're going to know there is a difference is if you work from a theoretical standpoint, or you have highly advanced lab tools to utilize to study the process during production, or have both TEM and AAS work done on the end product. These differences do show up, however, through TEM analysis... Reverse polarity is a great idea... However, from the experience shared on the list over the last year or so ( I haven't myself yet designed a device with reverse polarity ), if you don't time it right it has undesireable consequences. So what I see is they have great circuitry that they've employed to try to compensate for variables they could be easily managing with simple design changes. Viewing their instructions, it is clear they have problems with ion "hydration" - which doesn't surprise me... They suggest that one allows the sol to stabilize for 36 hours after production. Of course, there is always going to be an "adjustment" to the sol after production. But the magnitude of the adjustment is a factor of the end quality of the CS. They suggest that the device be covered, which I think is always a good idea. Likely, it should be included in the design. I have yet to see a generator manufacturer provide a sealed environment, which would be key to manage the gassing variables in production. There's one reason I always suggest that people spend some time with the nine-volt battery method of production... The crudeness of the setup allows one to witness many of the variables involved. These variables don't change as one builds a better generator, they just become invisible. What I would do is shoot one hour to 90 minute films on the process. Then, I would process the digital video into fast motion, so I could see the entire production process in a few short minutes, and watch the patterns. Do the same thing with laser light to watch the dispersion of particles. I wish all the manufacturers would stress the "purity principle" in production! You literally have to scour the production vessel to produce the best brew with any CS device. The highest level of control I've been able to maintain over the reaction ( by using the same filming methods described above, then adjusting the process ) is with Ken's Silver Puppy generator. There are a few reasons for this. The silverpuppy current is limited very low. That means a bit of patience can be necessary, true! Next, his production device fits snug right on the container. When making specialized CS for use with H2O2, I can use steam sealed in the container, as I bring the CS very near boiling ( not at the beginning of the process which I always do at room temperature ). While it does not create a perfectly pressurized environment, it's the closest I've currently come. The electrode spacing is excellent, in relation to the silver electrodes, and the silver electrodes in relation to the edge of the container. The electrodes can easily be perfectly aligned. Gravity is one of the hardest variables to account for. Unfortunately, I don't have a space lab right now ( or any lab for that matter!!! ) so I'm not sure how better a CS would be as made in zero G. Trem, Ken, 'ole Bob and the other "old school" generator designers, be they for commercial sales or simply home designs, all have used different methods to address this. A gentle thermal current goes a long way to preventing undesired current paths in the production process. As the CS process iterates ( and I do mean iterates!! ) the current flows along established paths. Without design intervention, this predominantly happens in two places. At the bottom of the electrodes ( very undesireable ) and roughly at the 1/4 mark ( near the top of the water ). The flow of ions reaches a sort of critical mass due to increased conductivity ( even with current limiting )... and poof! a whole bunch of particles are massed, which cascade downward, at the same time reducing conductivity at the "ion stream" point, starting the process of increasing conductivity over again. Trem's SG7 Pro is a mighty machine. It toasts any high voltage alternating current large capacity generators out there that I've seen, and it does it with DC. I had almost given up on high capacity machines. Thanks to Trem, I have the luxury of taking a CS bath now and then. Trem's SG7 Pro produces a product that has a slightly higher particle content ( through using machines as recommended without modification ), although my analysis has been visual only. This design utilizes a water pump to manage the gravity variable, and a few other neat tricks not seen elsewhere. My only complaint is it that it takes me a half gallon of distilled water just to clean the thing ( but remember I'm a stickler when it comes to scrubbing everything between batches )! but who can complain at 5 gallons of quality CS at a time? Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean T. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: Re: CS>Constant Current Generator > On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:36:36 -0700, Tel Tofflemire > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Here is the best one I have found > >http://www.synergenesis.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator.html > > But it doesn't have a stirrer. > > -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> >
