Good post Ole Bob,

Would this perhaps explain the higher than expected ppm readings than
what they would be according to Faraday's laws  of electrolysis.

Arnold
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Berger" <bober...@swbell.net>
To: "silver-list" <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: CS>PWT & its Limits


> Greetings EIS'ers,
>
> This will be classic Berger and may well be worth printing for
history.
>
> The PWT or Pure Water Tester has probably become the most used tool
by
> list members to ascertain the concentration of their silver
solution.
> However when used by it's self it is not adequate for the task
assigned.
> The addition of a series digital current meter will greatly
facilitate
> the process, but the combination still is not adequate to complete
the
> task.
>
> The reason being for these tools inadequacy is that the DW used is
not
> always the same. When measuring the DW with the PWT one  is
measuring
> the ability of the DW to carry current. One cannot buy "pure water"
as
> they all contain some impurities, as it was reported about a week
ago,
> one supplier said their DW has 0.02+ ppm of nickel and 0.3+ ppm of
> copper. Also the DW will contain dissolved nitrogen gas and may well
> have some CO2 gas which forms carbonic acid like soda pop. These are
> process variables that we cannot control or eliminate. Water's
ability
> to adsorb these gases is the reason why I do not use bubble stirring
as
> it will affect the PWT readings.
>
> The most sensitive measure of the DW quality is the initial current
for
> your particular setup. It would be most enlightening to measure the
> conductance (with the PWT) and the current at regular intervals
during
> the brew cycle (every 1/2 hr) and plot the data. If the two data
plots
> are parallel each other then the PWT reading will read the Ag+ ions
by
> using the appropriate "fudge factor." If they divert (separate) then
all
> bets are off, as the "fudge factor" will change with length of brew.
>
> Now for the caveat, the earlier Wal-Mart made at Hazelwood MO, had
an
> initial conductance of 2.0 to 2.5 uS/cm and for my setup the initial
> current would be about 1 mA. (25 uA/sqin) and would rise slowly as
would
> the conductance curve.
>
> The new W-M DW from KCKS measures about 4 to 5 uS/cm with an initial
> current of  about 1 mA., however the current rises very fast and the
> conductance curve rose even faster. So time for a given PPM has
changed!
>
> CONCLUSION:
> If you would plot the data whenever the new DW has a 10% change in
> initial reading you will be able to generate a history that will
allow
> you to reproduce nearly the same results.
>
> Remember "No pain no gain"
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
>
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