Hi Trem ~ It is my understanding that cocci is not a bacteria, virus, or fungi, nor is it a worm, but a protozoa. I have heard that using 3 heaping tbsps. of freshly ground cloves, placed in a cup of just prior to boiling water and allowed to steep will cure cocci in goat kids, if fed 2 tbsps. per feeding. We regularly feed fresh whole cloves in our livestock grain/herb mix and have never experienced cocci here.
I started treating my 7 year old, CAE positive nubian buck, 225 lbs., with 25 cc's of CS, nearly 2 weeks ago. There has been no negative effect on his bowel movements or his eating habits. And, he has started to run, which I have not seen him do in months and months. I have also been treating a 115 lb. nubian/oberhausli doe with 20 cc's/day of CS and again, it has not affected her stool or eating habits. Infact, I have noted that her teat with mastitis milked out beautifully, no lumps, curdling, blood, etc. - which is why I figure the dairy cow farmers were so happy using CS for mastitis, as there is no withdrawal period, as there is with traditional antibiotics. I am at the beginning of my testing with CS on these ruminants. I figure it may take 6 months to effect a cure for the CAE - that's "incurable" per the Merck Vet Manual. I am going S-L-O-W-L-Y and documenting progress, etc. I highly doubt just 25 cc's of oral CS will cure CAE, but again, this buck has started running again, within the first week of CS dosing. I anticipate upping the dose to twice/day and eventually 3x/day and if needed, using via IV or via injection, BUT am starting out slowly and doing what's easiest for the moment, on the chance that oral doses would be enough to cure this disease, thereby making it easier for others to heal their CAE positive goats. Note, we do feed an herb/grain mix daily. Infact, these two goats I am treating with CS, "know" they don't get their grain, till the take their CS (tho sometimes I have given the grain hours before they get their CS, but lately, I try to give it after, as a treat for making my life easy by standing still while I administer the CS). One of the greatest things is that they take the CS very easily, as it doesn't taste bad. I find in the summer heat, if I refrigerate the CS, they like it all the better, as it's cold, rather than luke warm, as is their water in their waterers. BUT, I do NOT think the grain mix - which contains Fastrack (probiotic), sunflower seeds, oats, barley, and 14 different herbs is what's keeping them eating, especially since I give it directly after I administer the CS orally. I will keep everyone posted, as things progress and I eventually start upping their doses of CS. Return question...since the 115 lb. doe, doesn't have a problem with 20 cc's of CS and the buck weighs 225 and I'm only giving him 25 cc's...wondering if smaller doses, spread out through the day could be more effective than just one large dose. Obviously I could up the cc's for the 225 lb. buck, Randy, at least with the assumption he could tolerate much more, since he weighs nearly twice that of the doe. Maybe I'll make that next months experiment/research, increasing Randy's doseage to 40 cc's and just give 20 cc's twice/day or possibly stay at the 25 cc's and just give 12.5 cc's twice/day and see if there are any differences. I am not in a hurry to overdose them with CS and have to deal with stuffing yogurt or probiotics down their throats, so prefer to operate within reason. I should state, that back in May, I did put a quart of CS in their daily waterer which contained about 12 gallons of water, just after ALL the doe's were kidding. There wasn't a "reason" I did this, I was just on a CS making spree, so had lots on hand. Did this for about 5 days and noted all of the does got cow pie stools, yet their nursing kids did not. None of them ever stopped eating tho. Hope this info helps. If you have any thoughts or suggestions about how to slowly proceed with my research/experiment, would appreciate them. Since I am "blindly" experimenting where most have not yet gone before, I'm a bit leary...another reason why I'm going so slow...not to mention the fact, it is a daily commitment on my part, administering the CS, and documenting daily doses, changes, etc., but am happy they are responding so well. Am open to ideas tho. As I said earlier, it is my goal to effect a cure for CAE, but to make the cure easily available to others, as well. If my CAE positive goats (they should ALL be positive, if my ONE goat is - he just shows the arthritic symptoms, but looks healthy...the others ALL run and don't have the huge knobby knees that this buck has) were looking/acting really awful, due to this illness, I would personally have a vet administer the CS via IV, as I believe that would effect the quickest cure. We have lots of time tho, so easy and slow work well. :-) BTW, we had Randy's blood drawn at a local vet, so his positive test results would be on file at the Colorado State University lab, as they are the only ones who can do a PCR test, that would be able to show if/when he eventually tests negative...all other CAE tests are not as precise, so would continue to show him testing positive, even if he was cured, cuz he would have developed antibodies to the virus...I keep telling Randy he's gonna be famous! He just smiles and says, "pet me"! Happy Howling, Julie & Critters Wolf Creek Ranch mailto:[email protected] http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/index.html Home of Whispering Winds Wholistic Animal Sanctuary "The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." "Don't dream a dream, live a dream and let reality sleep." ~ Enyo Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trem" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: CS>Coccidia infection in sheep > Hi Nenah, > > I have a copy of Acres in my hand. It's alternative for sure but I don't > think that's where the answer is going to come from. It's going to come > from actual users of CS. Hence the question to the list members. > > Regards, > > Trem > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nenah Sylver" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: [silver_list] Re: CS>Coccidia infection in sheep > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Trem" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:30 PM > > Subject: CS>Coccidia infection in sheep > > > > > > > Hi Nenah, > > > > > > Welcome back. Thanks for your info. > > > > > > The reason I wanted to get a recommendation for CS was for the exact > reason > > > you mention about ruminants. However I had a feeling that it would be > > > beneficial because they did have diarrhea and therefore the CS would go > > > straight to the problem...the area of infection. I understand that > > > ruminants need the bacteria in the rumen to process their food but one > of > > > the problems with coccidia is that they are no longer able to process > food > > > normally. So I figured CS wouldn't hurt an already compromised system > and > > > it could in fact help. > > > > > > The problem with going to Acres or any other organization is that they > are > > > not on the CS bandwagon and CS is what I'm asking about. > > > > > > So the question still is.... does anyone have any experience using CS > with > > > coccidia in sheep? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Trem > > > > Hi Trem. > > You make a good point about WANTING to target the rumen. Based on what you > say, > > if it were my sheep I would try it. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean about "not on the CS bandwagon." Although ACRES > USA > > is a farming magazine, my describing it as "radical" was not an > exaggeration. > > For those of you who don't know, this monthly newspaper reports on > everything > > from politics to holistic animal care to food. They discuss CODEX, world > trade, > > domestic (FDA) shennanigans, the worldwide movement against GMOs, the use > of > > paramagnetic rock to obtain better crop yields, Rudolf Steiner biodynamic > > farming, dog and cat care -- and more. And you should see their ads! They > have > > regular advertising for the Beck pulser, Rife frequency devices, AND > *Colloidal > > Silver generators.* The people who run this newspaper (as well as the > readers) > > really know what's going on. In fact, I see regular references to using CS > for > > animals. > > > > In any case, please let us know what happens with the sheep. > > > > Best, > > Nenah > > > > Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. > > Products, services, and information about health > > Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* > > Order the book and read excerpts at > > http://www.drninasilver.com > > (The website will change shortly to reflect the name change.) > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > > >
