Hi Mike!

Well said...

Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm.

Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care
products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ).

Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production,
only after!

Best Regards,

Jason



----- Original Message -----
From: "M. G. Devour" <mdev...@eskimo.com>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: CS>Additives to CS production...


> To Nenah and others discussing this:
>
> It kinda surprises me that it has come up.
>
> Back in the early days we were taught to use a "pinch" of salt (NaCl)
> or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a "starter" to
> get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested
> alternative.
>
> The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly,
> producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or
> weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your
> electrodes never had a chance to collect any "fluff." The recipes you
> found online commonly stated that you would get about "1ppm per
> minute."
>
> It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and
> whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes.
>
> A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It
> was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It
> worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal
> Silver in the modern era.
>
> Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water
> when they began examining the particle size issue.
>
> There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased
> risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course,
> now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.)
>
> There was also concern that the use of  a "starter" produced other
> compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early
> stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This
> was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and
> concentration of the likely by-products.  (Except in Stan's case, of
> course! <sigh>)
>
> Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure
> distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting,
> other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on.
>
> All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the
> CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely
> leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions
> precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts.
>
> Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH
> without compromising the silver component?
>
> One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of
> these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production
> additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove
> beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal
> impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh?
>
> For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for
> now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water.
>
> That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! <grin>
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
> [Speaking only for myself...               ]
>
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