Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:08:25 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72757.html
Hi Marshall, I combined two posts to simplify things, and split the first para into separate sentences to analyze. Hope it's ok.. > OK, I just ran a test. > I started with 5 ppm EIS, approximately 80% ionic. > I put equal amounts into to containers, and added a few drops of > H2O2 to one of them. > I could see no difference between, they were both crystal clear. > I then added a pinch of salt to both. > The one without H2O2 immediately formed AgCl and turned milky. I'm surprised you got such a fast reaction adding NaCl to 5 ppm cs. Normally, it takes several minutes at this concentration. You should get a pale blue dispersion that is barely visible unless you hold it in the light just the right way. I really think you have a lot more that 5 ppm cs. Can you measure the ppm with a Hanna? If so, 1 uS = 1 ppm. Are you using constant current? If so, you can calculate the max ppm using the Faraday equations in Mercury. How do you know the cs was 80% ionic? It usually takes a very high current density to get this much oxide. For example, 3 nines run to the max like this: http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg > The one that had had H2O2 added to it stayed crystal clear. There is some very strange chemistry when NaCl is added to H2O2 and high-ionic CS. Here is what happened when I tried it. I doubt I will ever figure out how to write the equations that describe this: "When H2O2 is added to the cs made with Godzilla, the salt test does nothing for a few seconds. Then a huge cloud of bubbles appears and the salt disappears. I have never seen this reaction before." "I repeat the same test over and over until I am almost out of salt. The same thing happens. Then finally I get a strong dispersion." http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61977.html Now, I was getting pretty high ppm with Godzilla, and the salt test went haywire with H2O2. So this is another reason I think your figure of 5 ppm is way too low. > I can think of only 2 possibilities for this: > 1. Silver ions were reduced to a colloid of silver atoms. > 2. Silver ions became silver oxide, and it dissolved. Marshall, there are a lot more possibilities, but please write the balanced equations! This will tell you if something is possible or not:) Also note silver chloride dissolves in ammonia: AgCl + 2 NH3 --> Ag(NH3)2+ + Cl- This might be an additional diagnostic test if the H2O2 doesn't interfere. Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:19:31 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72758.html > OK, I have confirmed that converting silver chloride to silver > oxide is exothermic, which means that the silver oxide is more > stable. Marshall, this is very interesting. If silver chloride does not dissolve in the stomach, does this mean silver oxides are even more inacessible to the body? According to various web sites I came across, silver ions are from hundreds to thousands of times more effective than silver chloride in killing bacteria. I believe your information shows the oxides are inert, and therefore have no effect in the body except perhaps to contribute to argyria. > Thus possibility 2 of the previous message is not eliminated as I > had hoped it would be. > See http://www.finishing.com/195/29.html > This article also gives some extremely interesting information. > Dextrose will reduce silver oxide to silver metal! Honey is about > 50% dextrose (aka glucose), so that may be why some people feel > that adding a drop of honey when making CS is a good idea, it > converts any silver oxide formed to silver particles. Fascinating - where do you dig up this information? > So, according to this, one should be able to convert all the > silver ions in EIS to silver atoms and silver particles by adding > H2O2, and if that gives AgO, adding a little glucose, or honey. How do we make a test that will show this? (And how do we write the equations:)? > Marshall Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>