CS>Higher ppm on silverpuppy
From: fredsus1
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:46:11
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74809.html
> Mike,
> When I use the inverted funnel with the Silverpuppy, I do end up
> with a slight straw color and especially the brewing jar will turn
> quite yellow after many repeated uses because I do not clean it
> out, just simply pour out the completed cs and pour in clean DW to
> brew another batch.
I have been out of touch for a while, so I'm not up to date with
what's happening with the inverted funnel in the Silverpuppy.
Despite the stirring, it would appear it acts to reduce the volume
of dw available to disperse the silver and hydroxyl ions. This
increases the ion density, which produces more silver oxides in the
Nernst diffusion layer next to each electrode. The complete process
is described in detail here:
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74754.html
In your case, the resulting oxides stick to the funnel and produce a
yellow tint, much like this photo:
http://silverpuppy.com/resource/color.jpg
H2O2 should remove the coating with a bit of patience and some elbow
grease.
I have had poor results with all forms of stirring, so I don't use
it. I know Ken has produced high-ppm cs with the Silverpuppy without
any tricks, so it shouldn't be difficult to figure out what is
happening.
> I am imagining that is producing at least a 20 ppm brew if it is
> yellowing that much.
Well, you really can't make that assumption. You need to measure the
ionic content with a Hanna, or calculate the amount of silver
liberated with the Faraday equation and figure out how much went
into forming oxides. You can freeze the cs and look for black
oxides. There should be none. If so, the Faraday calculation should
be pretty close to the actual ion content.
> At least that was what Ode Coyote told me, when using the inverted
> funnel, it acts like a magnetic stirrer and produces higher ppm.
> Maybe I should go back to using it.
From your description below, it seems you are getting better results
without it.
> The anodes also get a black soot on it that wipes off and
> sometimes I can see spanish moss (I like the term somebody else
> came up with : Dog hairs) dripping off of one anode.
Just a bit of terminology - the silver parts are electrodes. The
anode is connected to the positive supply voltage, and the cathode
is connected to the negative.
Silver ions are liberated from the anode (+ supply --> Ag(+)), and
Hydroxyl ions are generated at the cathode (- supply --> OH(-))
Spanish moss on the cathode usually starts at about 20 to 22 ppm at
the current density Ken uses. So this is an indication you are
making excellent cs, but it would still be nice to check with a
Hanna. You can freeze some to verify there are no oxides. Use an old
but clean glass in case it cracks.
The only problem is what happens when you add H2O2.
Nothing should happen, but you seem to get a bright yellow flash
followed by a milky white. This should not occur. I think it's the
dw, or some kind of contamination. It needs to be fixed.
Are you using any household sprays near the cs generator? It should
be kept separate from any cleaning activity.
> The magnification of the jar makes it look HUGE, LOL. When I
> stopped using the inverted funnel (magnetic stirrer) the anodes
> are just a soft grey with much less black "soot" to wipe off.
This is really a good sign. This is the way it should work, or maybe
there might be a trace of black oxide on the anode. That's OK. The
cathode should be clear silver.
> I guess I won't worry about adding H202. Holding CS in my mouth
> for 10 minutes might be a stretch, I can make it about 3 min.
Heh - girls are not used to going that long without talking? It gets
much easier with practise. Then you will have plenty to talk about:)
> Teaching my dog to do it is another matter, LOL! Seriously, the
> stuff seems to work for people who just chug down the basic 5-10
> ppm stuff and seemingly it works for their pets who don't do
> sublingual. I do notice more of a medicinal effect when held
> sublingually though.
Pets are usually smaller, so it doesn't take much to get a good
dose into them.
> Susie
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
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