On 17 Jan 2005 at 15:13, Mike Monett wrote: > Re: CS>Argyria cure > From: Tony Moody > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:12:58 > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m76924.html > > > Hi Mike, > > > If I had to use only good distilled water I wouldn't have any CS. > > Exorbitantly expensive and a round trip of 350km and tastes/smells > > like diesel. If I was selling CS and wanted shelflife then I would > > go the route of making a double or triple distiller. > > You mentioned using dw in your first post. Strange it is so > difficult to get. Are there any power plants nearby that use > deionized water for their boilers? How about hospitals? Can you have > it shipped to you?
Yes that was many years ago while I lived in a city. Not so strange really; this is South Africa. The nearest operating powerplant is about 1200km and is nuclear, so I'll skip that. The other one is about 2000km the other way and those are coalfired. Anyway I wouldn't touch boiler condensate because it has all sorts of stuff including chloramines in it. Hospitals; I try not to go near them. > > > Yes, I estimated 2 to 5ppm for 2 to 5 minutes. So we are in the > > order of magnitude there. :-) If 2 to 5 ppm works and is not > > harmful in any way then why go higher?? > > How do you know it works? Probably most of it combines with > contaminants in the water and is not available to kill bugs. Well it really works very well topically on wounds, scalds and zits. and fairly well on herpes infections ( I think it needs to be applied often to work to completion.) It is an excellent underarm deodorant but doesn't last long enough for me. It stops BO immediately. It is really good and quick for settling upset stomach due to bad food. It works on colds if taken soon enough and often enough. > > You seem to be strong and healthy, and have not yet experienced a > life-threatening infection. So you are not yet aware of your own > mortality. I'm offended by your judgements and assumptions. I'm certainly not going to get into a little pissing contest comparing wounds and diseases with you. > > I used to be like you, but things change as we have different > experiences and grow older. You begin to see what can go wrong > instead of expecting everything will work fine. Umm, I'll just ignore this. > > > And if I am drinking the water anyway, can adding some silver to > > it make it worse? From my point of view adding some silver is > > better than doing nothing. > > Do a google search on purifying water for hikers. There are some > extremely dangerous bugs out there. The small amount of silver you > are adding won't have any effect on them. You are deluding yourself. > > > I notice that you have no parameter for electrode spacing; nor for > > agitation or flowrate past the electrodes. Both are very important > > practical considerations in my view. As important as current > > density, which also does not seem to appear in your calcs either. > > I was the one who alerted the list to the importance of current > density in my ULVDC posts several years ago. I have included the > full conversion factors at the end for your use. However, I did not > feel it would be worth the time to convert your metric dimensions to > inches. Electrode spacing is of no concern in your system since you > use water with unknown conductivity. Current flow has no effect on > the maximum available ppm. Mike, I think you are deluding yourself. There was a heated debate involving many able people and all parameters many years before you made an appearance on this list. I saw "use less than 10.7uA/mm^2" in an email from Ole Bob well before the end of 1999. > > Your system is out of control. You have no idea what your initial > current is, and it will change every time you dip your glass in a > stream. You have no tests to confirm it is working, or if you are > actually getting any useful silver ions from the brew. You should at > least do a milk test to see the effect of your cs. Mike, You do not know what you are talking about. I remain offended by your assumptions. Tony > > > On 12 Jan 2005 at 16:57, Mike Monett wrote: > > >> Hi Tony, > > >> Silver electrolysis should only be done with pure distilled > >> water. > > > Why? > > You don't know what contaminants are in the water that will combine > with the silver ions and render them useless. Even distilled water > needs constant monitoring to ensure your process is working. You > have no controls on your process at all, and you don't know if it is > working or not. > > >> For plain water, and assuming your constant current source goes > >> into full limiting as soon as current is applied, a current of > >> 1mA for 3 minutes in 250ml will liberate 1.609ppm of silver ions. > >> (Calculations provided at the end.) > > > OK > > >> This is an insignificant amount of silver, and most of the ions > >> will probably combine with various contaminants in the water. > > > What do you mean by insignificant? Works for me and others. Heh! > > What are contaminants to you are what make delicious mountain > > spring water for me. > > How do you know it works? Silver ions may have no effect on the > common water-borne parasites, especially in the extremely low > concentration you use. You do not know what animal may have urinated > or defecated upstream, and what kind of parasites have infected it. > > Also, you do not know if a fish or other animal died and is > decomposing upstream. And you have no idea if humans dumped toxic > waste in the water to get rid of it. > > You have no knowledge of any unknown contaminants in the water. > These can combine with the silver ions and render them useless. You > have no tests to verify the effectiveness of the brew, and you don't > know what you are drinking. > > My guess is a standard milk test with your 1.6ppm cs may actually go > bad faster than plain milk:) > > Mike Monett > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Complete List of Conversion Factors for Silver Electrolysis > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Coulombs = I * Seconds ; total number of Coulombs > CoulombsGram = 107.868 / 96485 ; Coulombs per gram of silver > ElectronsSec = I / 1.60217733e-19 ; electrons per second Grams > = CoulombsGram * I * Seconds ; Faraday's equation IonsPerNano > = IonsSqInSec / 6.45e14 ; ions per square nanometer/sec IonsSqInSec > = ElectronsSec / SquareIn ; ions per sq. in. per sec Litres > = 3.785 * Gallon ; convert gallons to litres Litres = > Millilitres / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres Milligrams > = Grams * 1000 ; convert grams to milligrams Millilitres > = 29.57 * Ounces ; convert ounce to milliliters NumberIons > = ElectronsSec * Seconds ; number of silver ions ppm = > Milligrams / Litres ; 1 ppm is 1 milligram per litre ppmPerHr > = ppm / Hours ; ppm per hour Seconds = Hours * 3600 > + Minutes * 60 ; get seconds uASqIn = 1e6 * I / SquareIn ; > current density in uA per sq in > > Typical Parameters for Godzilla CS Generator > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I = 775e-6 ; current in Amperes > Millilitres = 2000 ; volume of dw > Minutes = 0 ; minutes > ppm = 22 ; target ppm > SquareIn = 11.5 ; wetted area in square inches > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
