-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:38 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
Thank you. Regards Jonathan P.S. Now, if you would please do me the service of telling me why on earth, after I have personally seen serious immunological harm done to my client with hepatitis by his taking colloidal silver, I should feel positive about this product. Or maybe you might just admit that the information on my website regarding this product might be accurate. I assume you did not post this negative testimonial of the product on the silver list. That would probably get you expelled. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>; "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials >I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. > > In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I > apologize > for calling Jonathan Campbell, an "Asshole", without admitting any > wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. > > Jim Holmes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM > To: Jim Holmes > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials > > Mr. Holmes, > > Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a > lawsuit. > (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) > Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for > your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide > evidence that you have done so. > > If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public > records. > > Sincerely > Jonathan Campbell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> > To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials > > >> Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, >> and >> is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any >> contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, >> whether >> it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements >> in >> what he writes. >> >> Marshall >> >> Jim Holmes wrote: >> >>> Hello listers, >>> >>> I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without >>> comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial >>> comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, >>> only offered some different data. >>> >>> This is his response. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM >>> To: Jim Holmes >>> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >>> >>> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any >>> public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. >>> The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or >>> silver nitrate. >>> >>> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver >>> is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble >>> metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in >>> vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause >>> cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic >>> ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - >>> nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions >>> dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high >>> >>> school chemistry.) >>> >>> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic >>> silver >>> >>> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to >>> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You >>> are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting >>> a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption >>> ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for >>> coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about >>> homeostatisis, you will know that >>> >>> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. >>> >>> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll >>> report you as a harassment spammer.) >>> >>> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, >>> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch >>> Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 >>> >>> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and >>> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble >>> compound >>> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> >>> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM >>> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] >>> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM >>> > To: Jim Holmes >>> > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >>> > >>> > Hi Jim: >>> > >>> > I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human >>> > tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. >>> > >>> > Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, >>> > in ANY sense. >>> > >>> > Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was >>> > not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium >>> > chloride, as another example, confirm that even silver chloride is >>> > non-carcinogenic. >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChloride >>> AndSil >>> > verChloride.pdf >>> > >>> > THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic >>> > effect of isolated silver. >>> > >>> > As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch >>> > my body. >>> > >>> > Take a look: >>> > >>> > http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm >>> > >>> > Kind Regards, >>> > >>> > Jason >>> > >>> > Jim Holmes wrote: >>> >> Jonathan Campbell [w...@cqs.com], >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. >>> >> When I mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the >>> >> data, although it is run by the United States Government. I have >>> >> requested information on the cost to access the database. In the >>> >> meantime, can any respond to the following. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response >>> >> to my question. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 >>> >> print edition >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> metallic silver >>> >> >>> >> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 >>> >> >>> >> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>> >> >>> >> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly >>> >> soluble in saline, silver ions are emitted) >>> >> >>> >> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: >>> >> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate >>> >> and generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a >>> >> carcinogen a chemical substance must be able to specifically cause >>> >> a double-break in DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. >>> >> Certain heavier metals and their ions appear to be in this >>> >> category. >>> >> >>> >> -end- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Your comments will be appreciated, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Jim Holmes >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> ----- >>> >> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >>> >> 11/18/2005 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >>> >>> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >>> >>> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>> >>> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >>> >>> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... >>> >>> List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> >>> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:15 PM >> To: Jim Holmes >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >> >> and I apologize for the spamming message, by the way. Ever since my >> article >> got posted on rense.com, I've been getting a steady stream of very nasty >> emails from SeaSilver downlines. I have no tolerance or patience for >> those >> people, and my emotions were perhaps out of line in response to your >> emails, >> >> which were in fact pretty polite. >> >> regards >> Jonathan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:19 PM >> Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials >> >> >>> Dear Joseph, >>> >>> I asked you a question. You responded with an old reference to data >>> that >>> is not accessible without a major subscription. >>> >>> I sent you the opinion of another who has provided current freely >>> available >>> data. I made no comment about the information, and have never been >>> critical >>> of your data in any way, and I have sent you, counting this one, a total >>> of >>> three e-mails. >>> >>> If you think a polite dialogue consisting of three e-mails, one of which >>> was >>> a question, an two of which are an exchange of relevant info are >>> "spamming >>> harassment", then stick your arrogant opinion up your ass. >>> >>> Your last quote below is for silver sulfide, not metallic silver. >>> >>> Where are all the lawsuits from people who still have silver appliances >>> holding together their bones? >>> >>> Please take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. >>> >>> I will no longer honor you with my exchange. >>> >>> Jim Holmes >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM >>> To: Jim Holmes >>> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >>> >>> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public >>> medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones >>> I >>> cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. >>> >>> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is >>> partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal >>> like >>> gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the >>> human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for >>> silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little >>> difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because >>> in >>> solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic >>> high >>> >>> school chemistry.) >>> >>> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic >>> silver >>> >>> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to >>> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You >>> are >>> mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a >>> refined >>> metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was >>> locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this >>> complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know >>> that >>> >>> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. >>> >>> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll >>> report >>> you as a harassment spammer.) >>> >>> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, >>> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch >>> Otorhinolaryngol >>> 1986;243(4):260-4 >>> >>> "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and >>> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble >>> compound >>> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease" >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> >>> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" <w...@cqs.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM >>> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM >>>> To: Jim Holmes >>>> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials >>>> >>>> Hi Jim: >>>> >>>> I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues >>>> that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. >>>> >>>> Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in >>>> ANY sense. >>>> >>>> Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not >>>> carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as >>>> another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil >>>> verChloride.pdf >>>> >>>> THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic >>>> effect of isolated silver. >>>> >>>> As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my >>>> body. >>>> >>>> Take a look: >>>> >>>> http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> Jim Holmes wrote: >>>>> Jonathan Campbell [w...@cqs.com], >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen. When >>>>> I >>>>> mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data, >>>>> although it is run by the United States Government. I have requested >>>>> information on the cost to access the database. In the meantime, can >>>>> any respond to the following. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What does any of this mean? The following is Campbell's response to >>>>> my >>>>> question. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print >>>>> edition >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> metallic silver >>>>> >>>>> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56 >>>>> >>>>> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>>>> >>>>> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> silver nitrate (i.e., ionic silver. since silver is slightly soluble >>>>> in >>>>> saline, silver ions are emitted) >>>>> >>>>> mouse-neo National Cancer Institute monograph 10,489,683 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The philosophy of testing for carcinogenicity is that it is binary: >>>>> either it is or it isn't, dose is not an issue. This is an accurate >>>>> and >>>>> generally accepted method of assessment, because to be a carcinogen a >>>>> chemical substance must be able to specifically cause a double-break >>>>> in >>>>> DNA chains that is not repaired correctly. Certain heavier metals and >>>>> their ions appear to be in this category. >>>>> >>>>> -end- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your comments will be appreciated, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jim Holmes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: >>>>> 11/18/2005 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
