Add more to 'some' of it and see what happens.
I would have thought 2 days would be enough time for stabilization.
In your case, maybe not.
Generally 6 drops to the quart is enough to clear color and that can take
a day or so to complete.
Using the CS shouldn't hurt anything.
Ode
At 09:50 AM 12/17/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Ok, I just tried adding a drop of H2O2 to my first batch of cs. I made it
a couple days ago and it started out clear but then turned somewhat yellow
by the next day. When I added the H2O2 it turned the cs brown. I tried
adding bit more but it didn't clear it. I'm not sure what to do now. Can I
still use the cs? Should I add more H2O2?
Shelli
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS
## Using H2O2 at different times and in different amounts yields
different results.
1] The tiniest amount in very fresh EIS will make it go milky white and a
little more...milky brown with an eventual collection of gas bubbles on
the sides of the container and slight clearing of the very heavy white or
brown 'milky' TE
Add even more and it goes clear again.
Whatever change happens at this stage appears to be permanent until
more H2O2 is added to clear it up. [ie "Browned" EIS doesn't go
colorless if left alone]
2] H2O2 in well [time] stabilized colorless EIS has no apparent effect,
though it may break up particles 'if' there are some biggish ones and
change the TE one way or the other, depending.
3] H2O2 in a colored EIS will clear the color. TE may or may not be
affected.
What this tells me is that very fresh EIS [CS] , before the
conductivity drop completes itself, is very different from stored EIS.
The only thing I can think of that also may tie into conductivity drops
during a stabilization period is that ions and anions take some amount of
time to find each other and combine.
If that is so, the chemical and catalytic properties of fresh EIS may
well be changing as well and reacts differently to H2O2 in different
amounts at different times.
Granted, you can't have ions without anions and they are 'produced'
simultaneously, but aren't they produced at opposite electrodes?
Ions and anions would then be physical entities with a distance between
them and a time element for traveling that distance.
If left alone, they'll make the misnamed "ion cloud" with different
appearing particles [golden on one side with black spot, white on the
other with white spot... spots appearing at the points where such a
"track" impacts the bottom of a container] appearing to come from one
electrode to the other with nothing visible in between ["Ion tracking"]
unless that portion impacts the container, in which case you get
,metallic silver plateout.
Humm not very clearly stated...
OK, Electrodes being close to the bottom of the container and no
stirring being used and current density is high.
Particle clouds form and sag downwards with particles streaming off and
flowing down both electrodes, arching each towards the other electrode
and hitting the bottom along the way.
One electrode sheds golden particles and forms a black spot under it
[silver oxides?]
The other electrode sheds white particles and forms a white spot.
[silver hydroxides?]
In between the spots, no particles visible, but there is pure metallic
silver plateout after a while.
Apparently, in that zone, there are no oxides OR hydroxides...just pure
invisible silver somehow. [ silver Ions picking up electrons from the
glass and going metallic?..and if they DON'T hit the glass and plate out?
Still invisible and still there.]
Anyhow, it's obvious there are at least 3 different things going
on....in different places, each taking time, probably 4 and maybe more
and some percentage of all of it drifting around in the water.
If you mix everything up, [make it all drift] mutual targeting could be
delayed and there could be 3 , 4 or more different unstable
configurations and forms of silver, hydrogen and oxygen co-existing
dynamically in the same area for some amount of time, going through
different stages and sequences of getting together.
Now, add an H2O2 radical wild card at different times to mess up the
natural balance of yet to be married components and you get completely
differing results at different times.
Yea, I AM confused!
Like herding cats by adding dogs, some you can see and others you
can't... It's confusing!
Ode the Whirlyheaded......honeymooning in a brothel in the dark?
That 'works' just fine and 'what' does happen... you just don't know
'who' you're doing and when.
Honey? Dat you? Why do you use different voices to say yes?
At 11:29 AM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Nancy,
What magnification did you use to make your mesurements.
When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a
dark room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and to
me indicates that agglomeration has set it.
This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart of
EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and has a
haze to it.
Something does not compute !!!
"Ole Bob"
Nancy DeLise <nancym...@prodigy.net> wrote:
The H2o2 reacts with the silver and breaks up the particles so they
become very much smaller.
If you look under a microscope at CS, most homemade CS would be
about this size: O When you add 1 drop of H2o2 3% to 2 oz. of CS and
wait about 15 minutes and look in the same microscope the particle size
would be about this: o If you look at sovereign silver under the same
microscope the particle size is about this: (That's correct, you
cannot see anything it is that tiny.)
Nancy
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