Marshall-thanks, but doesn't exactly answer the question in my mind which i probably didn't express well since there's actually lots of them and they're not formed up clearly either...
the silver ions that get into the blood without becoming AgCl in the stomach, say if absorbed sublingually or in the lungs, are immediately confronted with an abundance of Cl ions to react with...will they not immediately do so and thus form AgCl salts unless they happen to react with something else first? of the silver chloride in the gut that passes into the blood....is that only the part that dissolves (the ~0.8ppm)? or will undissolved salts also get through to the blood? i believe i've read elsewhere that the salts that form in the gut will mostly pass straight out the pipe? when the AgCl dissolves, it becomes free ions again, which will again readily form the salt, so in a pure water soln there's an equilibrium with that small portion being dissolved free ions? so the same would occur in blood, however the blood has lots of other things for it to contact and react with about a zillion things that can and do happen, correct? i guess what i'm puzzling over is the ongoing debate over just what is it that is actually killing pathogens, metallic particles or ions or both. and also struggling to understand the processes going on so as to better understand how to most effectively use CS internally while avoiding eventual argyria. thanks much, every little bit of further understanding i grasp helps. bobL > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:25 AM > To: bobli...@toadmail.com > Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS>Agryia > > > bob Larson wrote: > > ...will not silver ions that make their way into the blood turn > into silver > > chloride quickly or immediately due to plentiful supply of Cl > in the blood > > at all times? > > > > > Silver ions react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and produce > silver chloride. Silver chloride is sparingly soluble, and most of it > will precipitate out, about .8 ppm will dissolve. The silver chloride > will pass into the blood, then if it contacts silver particles reduce to > silver metal, causing the particles to grow slightly. In the end > virtually all of the EIS becomes colloidal in the blood due to this > process which is the same a the photographic development process. > > Marshall > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:30 PM > >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS>Agryia > >> > >> > >> Gina Gomes wrote: > >> > >>> I'm waiting for someone to explain to me what causes Agryia and what > >>> are the known ways to reverse it. > >>> > >> As most people know, silver is used as the photo-sensitive > ingredient in > >> almost all photographic processes. Silver compounds, when exposed to > >> light, will often result in the silver being reduced to atomic or > >> metallic silver. Then in the presence of a developer, any silver > >> compounds that contact the silver particles will also undergo a > >> reduction reaction, enlarging the silver particle. > >> > >> While this process is essential to photography, it is > undesirable in the > >> skin of a person. It is thought by many that the reason that > the royalty > >> long ago were called blue bloods is because the silver from the goblets > >> and wares would react with acids in their drinks and foods, then > >> precipitate out in their skin giving them a bluish color. It is known > >> that consumption of silver compounds, such as silver nitrate, followed > >> by exposure to sunlight can result in a graying or bluing of > the skin, a > >> medical condition called argyria (2). As it turns out, a number of > >> chemicals that can appear in the blood make quite effective developers. > >> Caffeine and tannin are just two of them (3). > >> > >> Fortunately, colloidal silver, when made by the electrolytic process in > >> pure distilled water without any salts being added, produces no silver > >> salts. Thus, silver plating out of colloidal silver is not > possible; the > >> silver particles are already reduced to pure silver, and are mutually > >> repulsed, because of their positive charges. > >> > >> > >> Silver salts do and can cause argyria, that is not in > >> dispute. The physics is well known and is experienced by everyone as > >> the standard photographic process. Silver > >> salts when exposed to light gain an electron producing a silver atom. > >> Then the silver atom (known as the latent > >> image in film), will grow when exposed to additional silver salts and a > >> developer in an alkaline solution (known as > >> development in photography). When the silver particles grow > >> sufficiently, they will begin absorbing light and causing > >> a darkening of the area, whether in a photographic print, or > the skin of > >> an animal. It is impossible to make a > >> photograph using silver particles to start with, that is the end result > >> (and if you leave a dark photo which is dark > >> because it has particles in the emulsion in the light over time it will > >> tend to fade, not darken). Likewise it is > >> impossible to cause argyria using colloidal silver which IS silver > >> particles already. Silver compounds and silver > >> colloid have nothing in common as far as argyria is concerned, and > >> despite what many claim colloidal silver does not > >> only not cause argyria, it can be an effective prophylactic against > >> argyria. That is if colloidal silver is taken with silver > >> salts there will be a reduced likelihood of argyria from the salts. The > >> following reference (5) uses IES to > >> mean Electrolytically Isolated Silver, which is a combination of both > >> colloidal silver and ionic silver that > >> > >> What happens when you take silver compounds. > >> A silver compound will typically become silver chloride as > soon as it hits > >> the stomach. The silver chloride > >> is sparingly soluble, about .8 ppm. The dissolved silver > >> chloride will move > >> into the blood stream and once there will be exposed > >> to chemicals that will induce the silver to plate out on any > other silver > >> particles present. However initially there will be no other > >> silver particles present, so the silver chloride circulates in > the blood > >> until exposed to light in the skin, where they are photo > >> reduced to silver atoms. This is the photographic process that > occurs when > >> you take a picture (with a film camera). Once the silver atoms > >> are produced > >> in the skin, then the rest of the silver chloride will begin > reducing onto > >> those particles making them grow very fast, and resulting in > many of them > >> getting stuck in the skin. Since the particles are so small, they will > >> appear as black or blue, giving the skin a bluish cast. This is called > >> argyria, and can result from taking silver compounds without > any colloidal > >> component. > >> > >> > >>> If it were 't for my e-mail friend who told me to do research before > >>> taking colloidal silver, I would not have known there was > such a thing. > >>> > >> Everyone here is aware that silver salts can cause argyria. We are > >> normally only concerned with it when newcomers come in and are taking > >> are making silver salts. > >> > >>> As long as someone does not explain this, then I am being kept in the > >>> dark and then when my skin turns grey who do I blame? > >>> > >> If one is concerned, they should watch themselves closely in the > >> mirror. Also they should take sufficient quantities of selenium and > >> vitamin E both of which have evidence as a prophylactic. > >> > >>> So is agryia really superficial? > >>> > >> It is cosmetic. Some might consider that superficial, and > some might not. > >> > >> Marshall > >> > >>> */argyriavic...@aol.com/* wrote: > >>> > >>> In a message dated 2/4/2007 12:11:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >>> itisi...@cox.net writes: > >>> > >>> Therefore your above statement says very clearly that you are > >>> looking for > >>> money rather than any assistance with your claimed argyria > >>> problem. > >>> > >>> Good luck to you. Blue and green has long been my favorite > >>> color combination. > >>> > >>> Money will help me afford the laser surgery to help my problem. I > >>> made a statement similar to yours once before. I stated that > >>> because of my blue eyes the blue coloring will look ok. Boy was I > >>> wrong and did I get showed differently. > >>> > >>> Plus there are not people here that can help me. They caused the > >>> harm to begin with and none of those tactics they suggest work and > >>> they know it. When people come here for help all you folks do is > >>> bash them. Your more concerned with how much, what kind and how > >>> long than helping someone with their problem. Because everyone > >>> knows Argyria is permanent. > >>> > >>> *ArgyriaVictim > >>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Argyria/* > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Looking for earth-friendly autos? > >>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" > >>> > >>> > > <http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/;_ylc=X3oDMTE4MGw4Z2hlBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2B > HNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW5jZW50ZXI-> > >> at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. >> > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > >
